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Stroke order in 瞼 and 傘

#1
Out of curiosity: the stroke order font I am using to display kanji in RevTK indicates that the lower-right components of まぶた are written "line by line", i.e. "mouths" first, "human beings" next. This is at variance with かさ in which the four "human beings" are written "column by column".

Can this difference be explained in terms of the canonical stroke order rules, or should it just be memorized as a fact?
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#2
This is what my intuition says: in 瞼 the components are 吅 and 从, so you of course have to write them fully first. In 傘 the components are not 2x 从 but 4x 人 because there's a middle line (this would separate 从 in half). Due to it being 4x 人, you write top to bottom first and then left to right, just like in 疑.

I might be wrong though, this is my intuition speaking.
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#3
Just in case anyone is interested, the rules of stroke order 書き順 (かきじゅん)、筆順(ひつじゅん):
http://kakijun.jp/main/point.html


http://kakijun.jp/page/mabuta18200.html

http://kakijun.jp/page/1202200.html
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#4
Thank you for the explanations and the reference (though this kakijun page makes a bit too much Japanese for me to read… too bad there is nothing like that in English)
KameDemark's arguments make sense to me.
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#5
I am using Wiktionary site for kanji.

Started with this:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/瞼

Drilled through to this:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/僉

composition ⿳亼吅从

Just like KameDemaK was suggesting.
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#6
Rules of Stroke Order – short version (no animated clips)
1. Top to bottom:
  a. upper stroke first 三  工  言
  b. upper part first 喜  客  真  高
2. Left to right:
  a. left stroke first   川  口  学  帯  派
  b. left part first   竹  休  例  羽  側
3. Horizontal then vertical: 十  土  七  大  木  志  吉  喜
  exceptions: (part inside) 田 由 曲 角 王  隹
4. middle first 小  当  水  氷  少  承 赤 業 (exceptions: 火  忄 (りっしんべん 61) 【立心偏】
  Center usually precedes right and left where latter do not exceed two strokes each (Henshall).
5. Outer frame first  国  同  内  司  円  因  肉    exceptions. 区 and 医
  (if a square, bottom line last  )  国
6. Right-to left diagonal stroke precedes left-to-right 文  故  父  支  人  入  欠  金
7. A vertical line running through the center is written last  中  申  神  車  半  書  妻  平  羊  手
When a vertical stroke doesn’t stick neither at the top nor at the bottom:
  upper part, vertical stroke, bottom part  里  重  動  野  黒
8. A horizontal stroke that goes through the entire kanji is written last: 女  安  子  字  母  海  exception: 世
9. Diagonal stroke first, if shorter than horizontal 有  右  布  希
10. Horizontal first if shorter than diagonal: 友  左  存  在
11. Nyou, (two of the radicals which wrap around the lower left of a kanji) are written last   ⻌  廴 (plus the one as in this kanji 置):  道  近  建  置
12. These nyou   (wrapping) are written first (there are four of them 起  勉  題 and this one麩 bushu 199) 走  起  越  超  勉  題  麩  
13. First the vertical stroke then the short horizontal stroke which adjoins it on the right: 上  正  走  点  耳
14. Right-to left diagonal strokes in these kanji
   a. first: 九  及 (the stroke that looks like 3 is the second)
   b. last: 力  万  方  別


Additional:
Rad.  85 [3 strokes]     氵(水)   海
Rad. 104 [5 strokes]疒   病


Henshall:
The following pointers should also be observed.
a. squares are written with three strokes not four  口
b. vertical strokes should not slope
c. horizontal strokes may slope, but should be parallel
d. characters should be of uniform size
4. Center first, then left and right 小  楽
12. A dot at the north-east corner is written last  犬  代

http://www.nihilist.org.uk/
Kanji stroke order font v4.001
漢字の筆順のフォント
Edited: 2017-09-05, 4:32 am
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#7
(2017-09-04, 2:50 pm)jmignot Wrote: Thank you for the explanations and the reference (though this kakijun page makes a bit too much Japanese for me to read… too bad there is nothing like that in English)
KameDemark's arguments make sense to me.

http://jisho.org/search/%E5%82%98%20%23kanji
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#8
(2017-09-05, 4:27 am)buonaparte Wrote: Rules of Stroke Order – short version (no animated clips)
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Thank you for posting this list. I think that I had already seen something similar before.
However, I do not see how one can deduce the difference between the stroke orders of the two kanji in my original post.
In his reply, KameDemaK rather invoked the fact that the "two mouths" or "two human beings" form components of their own. This does not appear to result from rules like the ones given above.
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#9
Language is not math.
In 傘 you've got |, a nice symmetrical mirror image.
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#10
(2017-09-05, 4:27 am)buonaparte Wrote: Rules of Stroke Order – short version (no animated clips)
Thank you, this is very helpful.
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