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nest0r's darkjapanese/ja-dark blogs deleted? any info?

#51
http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!
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#52
(2017-06-28, 4:10 am)hnous927 Wrote: http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...96/on-mcds
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#53
(2017-06-28, 6:47 am)thedoc Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 4:10 am)hnous927 Wrote: http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...96/on-mcds

Thank you soooo much!!!
So MCD is bad. What about normal cloze deletion for vocabulary?
I'm thinking about creating cards like this:
For the target word "yummy":
Front: "Her homemade brownies are really _____. "
Back: "Her homemade brownies are really yummy. "


Do you know how to retrieve his other articles as well? Like those other links in the article:

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...ZCNw%3D%3D
I guess it is going to redirect to en.wikipedia.org, something about cloze_test?


http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...ZCNw%3D%3D
I've found the link:
https://darkjapanese.wordpress.com/2011/...or-school/

It's so unfortunately that he deleted all his precious articles and knowledge and I'm 1 month lateSad
Could you share how to find his articles? I know I can google the article name and look for the cached version. But this method doesn't work for his tumblr posts and some wordpress posts.
Thank you in advance!
Edited: 2017-06-28, 7:14 am
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#54
I sincerely hope that he's playing a game or decided to completely disappear and then re-appear with a new look for his website or something. It's a real tragic for Japanese learners and Anki users in generalSad
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#55
(2017-06-28, 7:06 am)hnous927 Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 6:47 am)thedoc Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 4:10 am)hnous927 Wrote: http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...96/on-mcds

Thank you soooo much!!!
So MCD is bad. What about normal cloze deletion for vocabulary?
Well, nest0r said it's bad. That's not the same thing  Wink 
Hope not to offend anyone but aren't you all idealizing him too much? Nest0r is the new Katzumoto?
Not saying he isn't right or he hasn't good or even great ideas, but to read this thread it seems he is a God of the Japanese language.
I wonder what level of Japenese does he speak? Do we have some proofs that his tecniques work?

To be sincere I don't even understand what are those great innovations he bring to the process of learning japanese.
I've tried to read his blog and I see mostly abstruse lucubrations and unnecessarely overarticulated ways of saying simple things, and a lot of cheap philosophy.

I would like to see what is core methods/ideas are, on a practical side, emptied of all the hot air.
And for his ideas, I mean his own ideas, not links about other researches (not saying they're not useful).

I've found a thread about him:
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-9272.html

so it seems he diasppeared from here too, and I suggest anyone to read that thread just to have another point of view about nest0r.

Also, it seems he was here almost 10 years ago, he talked a lot about how to learn the Japanese language.
I see that the most known polyglots and even the japanese speaking ones, when they decide to teach how to learn, they demosntrate first their competency and they are taken seriously because of this.
I think about Steve Koufmann, Luca Lampariello, Vladimir Skultety, but even the JALUP guy and EVEN Katzumoto, uploaded youtube videos where you can see them speaking the language.

What about nest0r? Give me proofs Smile

Also, I would like to know what other long-time users of this forum think of him, as most of the participants in this threads are relatively new uses.
Edited: 2017-06-29, 11:32 am
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#56
(2017-06-29, 11:30 am)cophnia61 Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 7:06 am)hnous927 Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 6:47 am)thedoc Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 4:10 am)hnous927 Wrote: http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...96/on-mcds

Thank you soooo much!!!
So MCD is bad. What about normal cloze deletion for vocabulary?
Well, nest0r said it's bad. That's not the same thing  Wink 
Hope not to offend anyone but aren't you all idealizing him too much? Nest0r is the new Katzumoto?
Not saying he isn't right or he hasn't good or even great ideas, but to read this thread it seems he is a God of the Japanese language.
I wonder what level of Japenese does he speak? Do we have some proofs that his tecniques work?

To be sincere I don't even understand what are those great innovations he bring to the process of learning japanese.
I've tried to read his blog and I see mostly abstruse lucubrations and unnecessarely overarticulated ways of saying simple things, and a lot of cheap philosophy.

I would like to see what is core methods/ideas are, on a practical side, emptied of all the hot air.
And for his ideas, I mean his own ideas, not links about other researches (not saying they're not useful).

I've found a thread about him:
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-9272.html

so it seems he diasppeared from here too, and I suggest anyone to read that thread just to have another point of view about nest0r.

Also, it seems he was here almost 10 years ago, he talked a lot about how to learn the Japanese language.
I see that the most known polyglots and even the japanese speaking ones, when they decide to teach how to learn, they demosntrate first their competency and they are taken seriously because of this.
I think about Steve Koufmann, Luca Lampariello, Vladimir Skultety, but even the JALUP guy and EVEN Katzumoto, uploaded youtube videos where you can see them speaking the language.

What about nest0r? Give me proofs Smile

Also, I would like to know what other long-time users of this forum think of him, as most of the participants in this threads are relatively new uses


First, this thread isn't about discussing the merits of his work. We're just trying to figure out why he suddenly disappeared after 5 years of blogging and trying to recover some of his material.

Secondly, you read his blog and didn't find it useful. Okay, move on. No need to make a snarky post about it that adds nothing to the discussion.
Edited: 2017-06-29, 11:57 am
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#57
(2017-06-29, 11:56 am)brithomer Wrote:
(2017-06-29, 11:30 am)cophnia61 Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 7:06 am)hnous927 Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 6:47 am)thedoc Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 4:10 am)hnous927 Wrote: http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...96/on-mcds

Thank you soooo much!!!
So MCD is bad. What about normal cloze deletion for vocabulary?
Well, nest0r said it's bad. That's not the same thing  Wink 
Hope not to offend anyone but aren't you all idealizing him too much? Nest0r is the new Katzumoto?
Not saying he isn't right or he hasn't good or even great ideas, but to read this thread it seems he is a God of the Japanese language.
I wonder what level of Japenese does he speak? Do we have some proofs that his tecniques work?

To be sincere I don't even understand what are those great innovations he bring to the process of learning japanese.
I've tried to read his blog and I see mostly abstruse lucubrations and unnecessarely overarticulated ways of saying simple things, and a lot of cheap philosophy.

I would like to see what is core methods/ideas are, on a practical side, emptied of all the hot air.
And for his ideas, I mean his own ideas, not links about other researches (not saying they're not useful).

I've found a thread about him:
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-9272.html

so it seems he diasppeared from here too, and I suggest anyone to read that thread just to have another point of view about nest0r.

Also, it seems he was here almost 10 years ago, he talked a lot about how to learn the Japanese language.
I see that the most known polyglots and even the japanese speaking ones, when they decide to teach how to learn, they demosntrate first their competency and they are taken seriously because of this.
I think about Steve Koufmann, Luca Lampariello, Vladimir Skultety, but even the JALUP guy and EVEN Katzumoto, uploaded youtube videos where you can see them speaking the language.

What about nest0r? Give me proofs Smile

Also, I would like to know what other long-time users of this forum think of him, as most of the participants in this threads are relatively new uses


First, this thread isn't about discussing the merits of his work. We're just trying to figure out why he suddenly disappeared after 5 years of blogging and trying to recover some of his material.

Secondly, you read his blog and didn't find it useful. Okay, move on. No need to make a snarky post about it that adds nothing to the discussion.

I don't think that adds nothing to the discussion. I've read a user saying "MCD is bad." So I answered that "nest0r said it's bad doesn't necessarely mean it's bad". This adds a suggestion to the discussion.

Why must I move on when I'm genuinely interested in answers? I've found it useless but I'm interested in other users point of view, because maybe I'm wrong and I could get something useful from him.

But you're right about it being off-topic, so I will open another thread and I hope to receive useful and satisfying answers Smile

PS: maybe after all those years of talking about how to study the Japanese language, he was unsatisfied about his results so he decided to quit and remove all his writings? I don't know, this is just an hypotesis

PS2: brithomer, I see that all of your posts here are about his blog. I understand this topic is not about his method effectivenes and his competency in the Japanese language, but as you seem so interested in it I suppose you know a lot about his method so if you want to help me check the other thread. Thank you in advance!
Edited: 2017-06-29, 12:20 pm
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#58
(2017-06-28, 7:06 am)hnous927 Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 6:47 am)thedoc Wrote:
(2017-06-28, 4:10 am)hnous927 Wrote: http://ja-dark.tumblr.com/post/44267738296/on-mcds
I know this is probably impossible but does anyone have the above article?
Or at least have anyone read this article? Does he recommend mcds? Thank you!!

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...96/on-mcds

Thank you soooo much!!!
So MCD is bad. What about normal cloze deletion for vocabulary?
I'm thinking about creating cards like this:
For the target word "yummy":
Front: "Her homemade brownies are really _____. "
Back: "Her homemade brownies are really yummy. "


Do you know how to retrieve his other articles as well? Like those other links in the article:

http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...ZCNw%3D%3D
I guess it is going to redirect to en.wikipedia.org, something about cloze_test?


http://web.archive.org/web/2016052611230...ZCNw%3D%3D
I've found the link:
https://darkjapanese.wordpress.com/2011/...or-school/

It's so unfortunately that he deleted all his precious articles and knowledge and I'm 1 month lateSad
Could you share how to find his articles? I know I can google the article name and look for the cached version. But this method doesn't work for his tumblr posts and some wordpress posts.
Thank you in advance!

I must add, nest0r does in fact suggest to switch from recognition to production for matured cards.
I think the best way to do this is by means of cloze deletion, and I don't think that a massive context is bad, conversely to what nest0r says about MCD.

But I think he's right about testing one kanji at a time for compounds word.

But there is another dimension to add to this. His advice is valid for reading, while for listening and speaking I find that relying too much on kanji will hinder your progress.

If you rely too much on kanji to recall the word's meaning, as in the example he gives, you'll end up linking the meaning to the visual rapresentation of the word, which doesn't help when you listen to that same word in speaking (real word conversations don't have japanese subtitles, as the ajatt guy said once).

Katzumoto, in his MCD, suggests to review one kanji at a time because with cloze-deletion there are cases where more words could fill the blank. Testing only one kanji at a time you reduce this ambiguity.

ES.: to be attracted to someone -> "I ____ you very much"

Is the answer "love" or "like"? (stupid example but english is not my L1, so sorry for this but I hope it gives the idea)

if you put something like "I lo__ you very much" and then "I __ve you very much" you've solved the ambiguity but you end up with the issues that nest0r shows.

I find this interesting:

https://www.mezzoguild.com/reading/

Quote:In this last scenario here, you associate the written word ‘house’ with its meaning (a picture of a house) but then the actual sound of the word is the final association.

This means that if you’re in a conversation, the sound association has taken a backseat and you’ll struggle to immediately associate it with its meaning when somebody says it to you or you’ll struggle to recall it and use it in speech.


even if I don't agree with him about reading being not useful, I think he's right about that added layer (and it's even more true for japanese).
Obviously if you only want to be good at reading, vanilla sentences are great (but then you could easily achieve the same result by just reading a lot), but if you want to be good at listening too, and speaking, I think that production cards, in the form of cloze-deletion, are way more useful, because you attach a direct meaning to the sound, without any added layer of reasoning needed to retrieve the meaning of a word when you listen to it (reasoning that often is based on kanji hints which aren't simply there when you are listening and speaking).
And I find more effective the fact of being able to retrieve something from memory given a prompt, than to simply read a sentence and recall it's meaning.
Edited: 2017-06-29, 1:32 pm
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#59
(2017-06-06, 7:23 pm)fkb9g Wrote: I archived most of ja-minimal and I can re-share if there's interest.

Please upload it to archive.org!
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#60
Somewhat related, grammar points can be isolated and don't need to be rehashed in Anki through context after a solid foundation is built; and the focus using Anki at that point would primarily be on vocabulary production and output.

e.g. skip the recognition step and move straight to production cards with 'Definition' and hints (e.g. Kanji Meanings) on front, adding context on the back if necessary; studying new sentence structures in a separate deck using comprehensible output or recognition cards with explanations. (On the basis that the return with output is greater than input in general)
Edited: 2017-06-29, 4:20 pm
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#61
(2017-06-13, 9:48 pm)Whiteskulleton Wrote: This has shattered my entire universe. I based my method I had been researching for years on this man's work and now POOF. He has some of the most comprehensive and well-documented research about the Japanese language that I have ever read and this is an absolute loss to the academic world in my view. I am very distraught about this.

Sad. Unfortunate. His evolving work was fun to follow.
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#62
has anyone tried PMing ja-min on this site on the off chance he is still checking the email he signed up with? perhaps he does not know that so many people would miss his websites..
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#63
(2017-07-12, 2:56 pm)yogert909 Wrote: has anyone tried PMing ja-min on this site on the off chance he is still checking the email he signed up with?  perhaps he does not know that so many people would miss his websites..

I tried PMing him on both accounts. Another hope would be an admin emailing his signup email account?
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#64
(2017-07-13, 12:15 am)brithomer Wrote:
(2017-07-12, 2:56 pm)yogert909 Wrote: has anyone tried PMing ja-min on this site on the off chance he is still checking the email he signed up with?  perhaps he does not know that so many people would miss his websites..

I tried PMing him on both accounts. Another hope would be an admin emailing his signup email account?

I do not know nestor personally but it does not seem like he needs people sending inquiries about material he took offline.

See also _why.

Ask yourself what you really want from him.

(I'm assuming nestor is male.)
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#65
(2017-07-13, 1:11 am)fkb9g Wrote:
(2017-07-13, 12:15 am)brithomer Wrote:
(2017-07-12, 2:56 pm)yogert909 Wrote: has anyone tried PMing ja-min on this site on the off chance he is still checking the email he signed up with?  perhaps he does not know that so many people would miss his websites..

I tried PMing him on both accounts. Another hope would be an admin emailing his signup email account?

I do not know nestor personally but it does not seem like he needs people sending inquiries about material he took offline.

See also _why.

Ask yourself what you really want from him.

(I'm assuming nestor is male.)

Agree w/ your thoughts. Thx for pointing it out. 

Was feelin' upset to see all his work disappear. Always looked forward to his new posts. 

Glad we were able to recover some of his material. 

That's all I can ask for. 

Perhaps he'll show up again one day  Big Grin
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#66
(2017-07-13, 1:11 am)fkb9g Wrote: I do not know nestor personally but it does not seem like he needs people sending inquiries about material he took offline.

See also _why.

Ask yourself what you really want from him.

(I'm assuming nestor is male.)
That's certainly one possibility. But it's also possible that he/she was unaware of how many people respected his writing/ideas.. Perhaps he/she took the sites offline under the assumption that nobody cared.
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#67
(2017-07-19, 8:13 pm)yogert909 Wrote:
(2017-07-13, 1:11 am)fkb9g Wrote: I do not know nestor personally but it does not seem like he needs people sending inquiries about material he took offline.

See also _why.

Ask yourself what you really want from him.

(I'm assuming nestor is male.)
That's certainly one possibility.  But it's also possible that he/she was unaware of how many people respected his writing/ideas..  Perhaps he/she took the sites offline under the assumption that nobody cared.

Also fair point. I don't think anyone wants to DOXXXXX him.
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#68
This is the problem with putting yourself out on the internet in the first place.  It's kind of hard to demand obscurity when you first were showing off your ideas to the mass audience.

Edited: 2017-07-20, 6:48 am
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#69
Did anyone manage to save the 'Learned' field/tag addon?
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#70
Update

With some finagling and AutoHotKey, I was able to scrape Digg RSS's archive of ja-dark.tumblr.com. Posts start in Jan 2014 and end w/ his last post in Jun 2017.

Live Page => https://btmbtm.github.io/jadarkbackup/
Download @ Dropbox => https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b80ksarp7nrrx...gSSZa?dl=0
Github Repo => https://github.com/btmbtm/jadarkbackup
Edited: 2017-07-21, 9:58 pm
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#71
(2017-07-21, 9:34 pm)brithomer Wrote: Update

With some finagling and AutoHotKey, I was able to scrape Digg RSS's archive of ja-dark.tumblr.com. Posts start in Jan 2014 and end w/ his last post in Jun 2017.

Live Page => https://btmbtm.github.io/jadarkbackup/
Download @ Dropbox => https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b80ksarp7nrrx...gSSZa?dl=0
Github Repo => https://github.com/btmbtm/jadarkbackup

Excellent work. I was able to find stuff from 2011 that someone should add to the repo here: http://web.archive.org/web/2012053104234...s-in-anki/
You can navigate back to Dec. 2011 with the pages, but this is as far back as I could find.
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#72
(2017-08-06, 4:40 pm)xtreme1 Wrote:
(2017-07-21, 9:34 pm)brithomer Wrote: Update

With some finagling and AutoHotKey, I was able to scrape Digg RSS's archive of ja-dark.tumblr.com. Posts start in Jan 2014 and end w/ his last post in Jun 2017.

Live Page => https://btmbtm.github.io/jadarkbackup/
Download @ Dropbox => https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b80ksarp7nrrx...gSSZa?dl=0
Github Repo => https://github.com/btmbtm/jadarkbackup

Excellent work. I was able to find stuff from 2011 that someone should add to the repo here: http://web.archive.org/web/2012053104234...s-in-anki/
You can navigate back to Dec. 2011 with the pages, but this is as far back as I could find.

 When I have the time, Ill put together and add to the repo all the available darkjapanese.wordpress.com posts.
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#73
(2017-08-07, 3:40 am)brithomer Wrote:
(2017-08-06, 4:40 pm)xtreme1 Wrote:
(2017-07-21, 9:34 pm)brithomer Wrote: Update

With some finagling and AutoHotKey, I was able to scrape Digg RSS's archive of ja-dark.tumblr.com. Posts start in Jan 2014 and end w/ his last post in Jun 2017.

Live Page => https://btmbtm.github.io/jadarkbackup/
Download @ Dropbox => https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b80ksarp7nrrx...gSSZa?dl=0
Github Repo => https://github.com/btmbtm/jadarkbackup

Excellent work. I was able to find stuff from 2011 that someone should add to the repo here: http://web.archive.org/web/2012053104234...s-in-anki/
You can navigate back to Dec. 2011 with the pages, but this is as far back as I could find.

 When I have the time, Ill put together and add to the repo all the available darkjapanese.wordpress.com posts.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! This is amazing! His work is interesting and worth reading, albeit hard to read. Thanks again!
Edited: 2017-08-07, 3:27 pm by ファブリス
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