Issues for me with Firefox and IE 5.0  (I rarely use the latter except for my bank website).  With Firefox on Windows98 I get the same fopen error that synewave reported  and I am unable to edit my stories.

On IE 5.0  I can see other peoples stories, but can still not edit mine, and the kanji is displayed at the same size as other characters (rather small).

Regards,
Marcus

I don't really want to "pile on", but I've got the problem of no character loading for the review function.  This may be a bit different than the other reports in that I'm using IE 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254CO.

Bummer!

Thanks all for the feedback. I'm glad that IE bug popped up after all, since this allowed me to kick some dirty old javascript out of the way   Should work now in ie6/ie7.

Could some one confirm the Review page works fine in IE6! Unfortunately, I installed IE7 some months ago, I must have been possessed or something! Soooo I am able to test the layout of the site in a "stand alone" version of ie6, but this stand-alone version doesn't store cookies, so it can make testing some areas of the site difficult. I think it was the same problem in ie6/ie7 though.

mbagsh55 wrote:

On IE 5.0  I can see other peoples stories, but can still not edit mine, and the kanji is displayed at the same size as other characters (rather small).

Hi Marcus, I'm afraid I can't support Internet Explorer previous to version 6. I try to support all "A grade" browsers as Yahoo calls them, which is already quite the effort. That said if the site works in IE6 it will work in IE5.5 for the most part. The layout however, would be the most time consuming as IE (all versions up to ie7!) is notorious for being ridden with CSS bugs. I continue to support IE6, because that's part of my day job anyway, and I think a lot of people are still using IE6. However IE5.5 is a stretch too far    Especially if you look at the user base on kanji.koohii.com : 57.3 % Firefox, 26.6 % MSIE, out of which MSIE5 is very likely less than 5% of all users (I swear I had browser versions as well in my site stats, but I can't find them today).

ファブリス wrote:

synewave wrote:

EDIT: Clicking 'use story' updates the date stamp of the story one uses. See obese mattoc_g story (I 'used' it)

I couldn't reproduce it. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

As well as reporting actual problems I was having, I seem to have been fabricating them as well! No problem...except in my head. Sorry.

Fabrice wrote:

Hi Marcus, I'm afraid I can't support Internet Explorer previous to version 6. I try to support all "A grade" browsers as Yahoo calls them, which is already quite the effort.

Hi Fabrice, no problem at all with that.  I already appreciate all the time and effort and wouldn't want you to start directing your time to support obsolete browsers.

I only switched to IE because my install of Firefox at home (v1.5 I think) was not allowing me to edit my stories.  I will test again tonight, and if it remains a problem try a newer version of Firefox.

Thanks again,
Marcus

I upgraded my Firefox from version 1.0.7 to the latest 2.0.0.6 and the learning section WAS still broken for me, until I worked out it was specific links.

If I click on the "failed kanji" URL http://www.kanji.koohii.com/study.php?mode=failed I get a broken page with the following shown in the header pane

Warning: fopen(study/study_leftcol.html) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/faburisu/public_html/kanji/includes/class.template.inc.php on line 276

I instead I use the study link and then click "http://www.kanji.koohii.com/study/?mode=failed&framenum=178" for example, all is well.

Cheers,
Marcus

Last edited by mbagsh55 (2007 August 29, 9:08 am)

This is an amazing change. It's been working flawlessly for me from the beginning. Thanks Fabrice!

I do agree with the feedback that using a story is by far the best way to vote for it, but it might be tricky (but worth it) to get it right because the copied story can be edited or replaced with another story (maybe any modification to the used story clears its vote).

I think it's great the way it is.  I like being able to star multiple good stories.

The only thing I'd change are being able to un-star a story.

Also, what happens exactly when someone reports a story?

RoboTact wrote:

mspertus wrote:

I do agree with the feedback that using a story is by far the best way to vote for it, but it might be tricky (but worth it) to get it right because the copied story can be edited or replaced with another story (maybe any modification to the used story clears its vote).

Editing the story might be useful even if it's borrowed. Sticking an unmodifiable (but removable) name of original author near the actual text might be enough.

Yes. Editing is useful. I was just suggesting that an edited story not count as a vote for the original story (based on our discussion of using a story being an implicit vote).

You'll need to thank johnzep for the icon. See reply#16.

RoboTact wrote:

I still think that using a story must be the same thing as starring a story. Voting system as it is implemented now can fail to be used - it happens all the time to such features. Using another's story on the other hand is what happens all the time and is an objective voting criterion. Also if I'm busy studying, I would more likely click on 'use the story' and won't bother to star it (which is an additional action).

Hi RoboTact, I agree with you, in theory. In practice, I have considered various options but it gets tricky fast. There's the problem of an author deleting his story, or changing it altogether. Then there's the simpler problem of someone clicking "copy" and then "cancel", or "copy", editing the story to something quite different and "save". In the last two cases, the vote should be cancelled. In the last two cases, it is sort of doable, by comparing the strings and allowing some amount of difference (I found there were a number of interesting PHP functions to do that).

Also, looking at the data, I find there is not so much incentive to go to the trouble of getting this story tracking just right. The reason for that is that while I was pleasantly surprised to see that many public stories are being re-used, there are no true "winner" stories. One of the better ones I saw was for "resentment", and the excellent story about "feeling resentment after having won silver instead of gold". This story was re-used 18 times... out of 98 stories public & private.

Thus I'm not sure it's really useful to track exact stories in a system where users are encouraged to use their own mental associations. Whereas the "favourite" system lets you vote for stories and hints that you found helpful. If you found some good ideas in two stories, you can vote both. This will push the more interesting hints, and stories, and I think overtime it will work well and we will see more refinements on the "favourite" stories.

RoboTact wrote:

Report a story button should create a confirmation dialog.
There should be a way to unstar a story (just by a second click on already starred story).
Used story text should include a stamp noting where story was copied from (author's name), preferably as an opaque user-unmodifiable tag. If user makes a story his own, he can remove 'usage' tag, which can simultaneously unstar used story.

The "reporting" feature will need additional options. I'm considering a system where people can leave a comment when reporting something, the comment may be read by the author, and if a story get reported many times it could automatically go "private" and to go "public" again it would then pass through manual moderation. It needs to be done right though.

synewave thanks again! Should work now.

mbagsh55 thank you, fixed now.

Hi Fabrice,
    Thanks as always for the super-speedy fix.

I failed a bunch of my reviews today, so can confirm the fix is working well. 

Cheers,
Marcus