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dingomick
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From: Gifu_Japan
Registered: 2006-12-16
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I, of course, use Firefox. When I study I leave several tabs open so I can cross reference stories. Things get a little confusing since stories require the Frame # and not just the word enclosed in {}. So, it would be crazy awesome if the page title displayed the keyword and frame #, the kanji itself. Instead of,

"Reviewing the Kanji | Study"

it would say,

"Reviewing the Kanji | Study | branch off 772 岐".

Hope to see it!

woelpad
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From: Chiba
Registered: 2006-11-07
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None too difficult. Kanji.Koohii: Tag title should do the trick. Don't think I can force italic script in titles though.

ファブリス
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"Reviewing the Kanji | Study | branch off 772 岐".

You want to see this in the tabs or the window title ? You won't see the kanji or keyword with several tabs open because of the site title coming first, and the tabs are not wide enough. I can move the site title in the page title, but it has to be consistent accross the website because the title also appears in search engine results etc. I 'll have to think more about it when I get home. Good idea.

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woelpad
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From: Chiba
Registered: 2006-11-07
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Hover over the tab title and it will appear as a pop-up balloon help (or however that yellow box is called nowadays). I guess that's what dingomick thought of using. Also the tab currently open will have its title displayed in full on the window title bar.

Mighty_Matt
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ファブリス wrote:

it has to be consistent accross the website because the title also appears in search engine results etc. I 'll have to think more about it when I get home. Good idea.

But surely a search engine wouldn't be seeing the Study pages as you have to login to do that. 

Also, I've seen on several sites in the past where they reverse the order of the page title.  So if you've navigated through several layers (home > kanji > #1) it would appear as '#1 | kanji | home | sitename'.  That way all the information is there, but the most relivant is at the front and so shown in the tab/taskbar etc.

dingomick
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From: Gifu_Japan
Registered: 2006-12-16
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Woelpad, could you make the info more compact by removing the quotes and the second keyword. For example, instead of

俊 "sagacious" | sagacious 1014

Could it just be:

俊 sagacious 1014

Even better:

1014 sagacious 俊

The last option is most ideal; it orders the info by usefulness. The reason I thought this tweak would be useful is because stories require {##} to reference the word. So a quick glance at my tab to see the number and word is best.

The hover option works fine, but defeats the purpose of displaying the info to avoid extra clicks in the first place.

BTW, I use Tab Mix Plus for all my tabbing needs. It's the extension Firefox based all their 1.5 tab browsing updates on. It includes an option for minimum and maximum tab widths. I've adjusted it to better accomodate the info.

Last edited by dingomick (2006 December 29, 4:19 am)

woelpad
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From: Chiba
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What you're describing is actually a combination of Fabrice's implementation of your request and my script, which he must have released shortly after me. If you would disable the "Tag Title" script (Extra -> Greasemonkey -> Manage User Scripts, select the script and uncheck the Enabled option, or remove it altogether), you would only see

Reviewing the Kanji | Study | 俊 "sagacious"

By the time of my writing, he has changed it again to

#1014 "sagacious" 俊 | Study | Reviewing the Kanji

taking into account your and Mighty_Matt's suggestions. I guess I'll just scrap my script and suggest those who downloaded it to remove it from your list of scripts as described above. Unless you're still not satisfied?

dingomick
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From: Gifu_Japan
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Thanks for the work guys. Fabrice's current display is exactly what I imagining.

Don't worry, I'm sure I'll have more suggestions in the future (intentionally fail cards option, hint hint...)big_smile

woelpad
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From: Chiba
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Fabrice, for 3rd/4th edition keywords, you'll need to take some extra action to remove the HTML tags. Currently the title reads:

#847 "transfer/alternate<br /><span class="edition">3rd/4th edition</span>" 迭

Reply #10 - 2007 January 31, 9:09 pm
woelpad
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The same reversal logic could also be applied to the forum pages, whereby I'd add the forum title in the middle, as in:

Suggestion: Page Title | Feedback | Reviewing the Kanji Forums

for the same reasons as given for the study part.

woelpad
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Fabrice is a bit slow in tackling this, so I've altered the Kanji.Koohii: Tag Forum Title script to do my bidding. Also works in Opera.

Last edited by woelpad (2007 February 27, 9:21 pm)

woelpad
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Added a fix for the overlapping pencil problem, and changed the script title, so if you have already downloaded this script, you might need to remove the older Tag title script from your list of Greasemonkey scripts (under Tools -> Greasemonkey -> Manage User Scripts).  No such measure needed in Opera.

ファブリス
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Ok I'll sticky this so I remember to fix it.

edit: hmm I thought of this before, see the trick is to keep track of everything. Instead of sticky there could be another kind of "sticky" for to-do's, I wonder if someone ever thought of developing a forum like that a mix of forum and feedback/todo list.

I know there are open source project tracking packages, but these are unnecessary complicated for my purposes.

RoboTact
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Registered: 2006-11-26
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If you create dedicated subforum, prohibit users to create threads there and create all threads as sticky (until resolved), allowing users to add comments in them, that should do the trick.

ファブリス
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woelpad wrote:

Fabrice, for 3rd/4th edition keywords, you'll need to take some extra action to remove the HTML tags.

Ok, that's fixed, thanks.

woelpad
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From: Chiba
Registered: 2006-11-07
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Ah, you're catching up wink

From the Very minor forum rendering issue thread, dealing with the pencil problem:

ファブリス wrote:

Okay, that's fixed. Actually it needed fixing in the forum code.

One thing I can throw out then, although there's no need to redownload the script, as the fix is no longer triggered (it looks for "postedit" elements, not for "icon postedit"). Remains inverting and extending the forum title and I can throw the whole script out.

ファブリス wrote:

Just checked with the awesome web developer extension Firebug.

Looks a lot cooler than the DOM inspector I was (hardly) using up to now. Thanks for the tip.

Reply #17 - 2007 March 01, 5:13 am
fuaburisu
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Oh my, woelpad. Please download it. It's incredible. Use "inspect" to get anywhere, I hardly use Web Developer anymore, plus WD made it so that you have to click once now before you see the element's uinformation in the layer window; which is really impractical.

After you press F12 to open up FireBug click on the "Net" tab then reload the page and watch in amazement wink  Click on XHR to observe all the xml http requests and so on. Try to google up for FireBug presentation that the developer did at Yahoo, he showed all the sweet stuff.

Reply #18 - 2008 March 28, 4:52 am
woelpad
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One thing that had bugged me a little for far too long is that in order to reference to another forum message you need to find the corresponding pid, normally by viewing the page source and browsing for the correct message. All too cumbersome, so I've adapted the Tag forum title script to do the hard work for me.

The msg tag accepts as its parameter 2 numbers separated by a dot. The first is the thread id, which corresponds to the id parameter in a thread's url. The second is the reply number of the message you want to refer to. You can omit the first number, in which case the id for the current thread is taken; or the second number in which case the link will point to the end of the thread. Filling in 0 for the reply number will simply display the thread's first page.

On clicking Preview or Submit, the msg tags are replaced by url tags. If you made an error (a non-existent reply# for example), the tag will remain as is, though the ending tag will be replaced by /url (no need to change it back).

Example:

Code:

[quote][msg=1338.27]Smart move[/msg], Thora.[/quote]

which translates to:

Code:

[quote][url=http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=1338&p=2#p17159]Smart move[/url], Thora.[/quote]

or when displayed:

Smart move, Thora.

Reply #19 - 2008 March 28, 6:07 am
ファブリス
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woelpad wrote:

(...) normally by viewing the page source and browsing for the correct message.

That's one way to do it wink

I usually open a new tab, find the topic in the sub forum or the exact post, then right click on the topic title link, or the "Reply #..." link and choose "Copy Link Location" and then paste that in the [ url ] tag.

For the post id or reply number, you don't have to view source, the url should appear in the status bar when you hover on a link.

Reply #20 - 2008 March 30, 11:19 pm
woelpad
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From: Chiba
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I see, the blue time stamp next to the reply# is actually an anchor containing the url for that message. Not the most obvious place, but still embarassing. I'll purge the script, but would suggest that you add a comment in something like the BBCode help page to make people aware of this feature.

Last edited by woelpad (2008 March 31, 10:23 pm)

Reply #21 - 2008 March 31, 1:36 am
Thora
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Registered: 2007-02-23
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It seems I led you astray, Woelpad. So mine wasn't a smart move at all. I shall call it ignorance-derived creativity. yeah, that's it. smile  Thx for the tip, Fabrice.

While we're on the topic of forum pages....I've wondered why selecting a thread from Recent Topics doesn't take us to the last post in the thread? Similarly, is it possible for the search result to take us to the first message, or page, that contains the keyword? Relocating info by scrolling through each long thread can take time. And if I've missed a feature again, well....idc.

Reply #22 - 2008 March 31, 1:06 pm
ファブリス
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I know it's not very clear.

I prefer not to change the forum codebase, as it's really a secondary project. Whenever PunBB has a security update I have to manually add changes because my version is modified. The more I change it the more work in updates. At the same time PunBB 1.3 is currently in beta so like I said before, I'm hopeful that they've addressed the obvious things that were mentioned like tracking of new posts. Unfortunately the PunBB site itself is not well documented, I've just spent 20 min trying to find a feature list for the 1.3 version without luck.

Thora wrote:

I've wondered why selecting a thread from Recent Topics doesn't take us to the last post in the thread?

Same here, you have to click the small time stamp to get to the last post.

Reply #23 - 2008 March 31, 4:47 pm
Thora
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I see. From the Recent Posts index, you mean. Good. I'll stop using the Recent Topics list.     thx.

Reply #24 - 2008 March 31, 5:52 pm
ファブリス
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Ahh, I understand now. The Recent Topics takes you to the newer posts (action=new in the URL). If the "new posts" didn't time out on you yet, PunBB will take you to the first post in that topic that you (presumably) didn't read yet.

Reply #25 - 2008 April 01, 7:18 am
cangy
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ファブリス wrote:

I know there are open source project tracking packages, but these are unnecessary complicated for my purposes.

You could use a wiki for this.  It'd be useful for lots of other things too...

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