colonel32 wrote:

I'd love to see such a list.

What are the arguments against supplementing your vocabularly by learning selected compounds from a list like this when you learn the kanji from RTK1?

I tried that -- I made a list of compounds to study along with RTK1 (so that when a new character appears, I would add some compounds with it and the other characters that I already know). I do not consider it a huge success, it was slowing down the progress through RTK too much I think. You can come back to the compounds after RTK1.

I am studying using Stackz. therefore there are no "front" and "back" sides, instead 4 "sides" which you view one after another. this is how i am studying:

1. [English]
・～な　useful; beneficial; 《教訓的》instructive.
・～に　usefully.
・～に使う　make the most [best] of; utilize; use〈a thing〉to good purpose.

2. [漢字]
有益

3. [ひらがな]
ゆうえき

4. [Usage, Examples]
～に有益である
of service to
～にとって有益である ；《be ～》
useful to

examples and meaning come from "Goo 事典" and "ALC"

i find compounds by using WWWJDIC. for the above example, the compound was selected from a list by searching:    益 (P)     this brings up the most common words using 益.

like i said, I have a list of 140 or so compounds to date. it is a very time comsuming process to search for a suitable compound and then gather information on it. any help in creating a custom "Remebering the Kanji" compound list would be great.

I am aware that there are compounds in RTK2, but I would rather make a custom list tbh.

Great. First, some questions.
1)Can I get that excel file from you?
2) If we build on that file will it be easy to convert it to a file that can be used by stackz or some other flashcard program?
3) Do we have a certain level that we want to use? I have a book full of example sentences but they are aimed at upper level students that would be excellent but I don't know what other people think.  Also, as an aside, I'd be careful with ALC, its a great tool but it has many mistakes . Mostly in the English side granted, but in the Japanese as well.
4) When we assign sections should we assign them like in a giant group to be done at the person's leisure or in bite size chunks? Should we also assign a group to be checked?
5) If we use software with multiple faces, or even if we don't for that matter, we should decide on a pattern? I think the cards should be as clean as possible. Though some flashcard software lets you decide what data you'll see so maybe this is something that should be left to the individual.
6) Finally should we open a "dummy" account on this homepage and add our stories to the kanji? It is sort of unrelated but some people may appreciate it and we may get some feedback.
All for now-
Hyland1

Ok, all sounds good to me. Two final points.
1) The holidays are upon us. I am going back to the states for xmas/new years so won't be able to do any serious work till  early January.
and
2) Example sentences is something that I am very interested in having. I am going to  put them in. If someone wants a different one than can always paste over it.
I look forward to getting your file and getting to work.
Best
hyland

ok, i have made the group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RTKjukugo/

ill upload my files later. to protect the files that we will all be using, the group will not be public. by this i mean you have to get permission to join the group. i know this may sound like i am trying to lead things and prevent people from helping but my motives are completely opposite. i dont want people messing with this project. i hope you can see the logic. this does not mean that you can't join, by all means lets get this file finished and agreed on in rapid time. So, the more the merrier.

synewave>

I also try to put use kanji compounds that i already know. but with my limited vocabulary it is often difficult.

yorkii wrote:

does anyone have a premade list at all of a 熟語 compound for all the kanji represented in RTK1 at all? its a real pain for me to select a word.

How about the RTK2 list of compounds? I think someone posted the first 500 or so at the yahoo users group. So many people have talked about building that list, maybe someone has made more progress.

synewave wrote:

What do the blue entries in that spreadsheet mean again?

If that's my 'ol spreadsheet, they are RTK2 "signal primitive" kanji, meaning they have a common primitive that gives a clue to their onyomi reading.

Sorry, I was out of town for a few days. I am going to jump over, see how the yahoo group works and then post a few sentences from the book I want to use (日本語分野別　重要単語１５００). Best to everybody
Hyland

yea, the group is still in its early stages. i went home to England for the holidays and im just settling back into japan, my job and studying. ill get back on it over the weekend.