ほら！　　This is great stuff!  I'm going to have to study this, but this may just be the key to "better" tags.  I want the pronunciation of the tag to be very close to the onyomi, and using a Japanese word would be ideal, unless you pick one that uses a different kanji to write it.  For some reason that is completely まずい　to me.  This could do it for me!  Thanks!

Error update:

On my powerbook running Firefox I don't get the -span> error, e.g. when I drill down on say オツ。

But on the machine I use at work (Win 98, IE6) the  -span> error appears when I drill down on various readings. See previous posts for details.

Hope you have time to look at this Fabrice.

Cheers,
Andy

EDIT: The errors that appear above the banner occur on both setups.

Last edited by synewave (2006 October 26, 10:09 pm)

Regarding kanji groups with few kanji in them: these groups can be attached to several smaller phonetic keys composing overall reading. So that instead of single rare keyword for group we'll work with multiple frequent keywords for individual syllables. Kanjis in group may be placed in context involving all those keywords (somehow ordered).

Example:
For reading オツ, keyword for オ is Oz, keyword for ツ is tsunami, so compound keyword is (Oz crushed by tsunami), story involving the only kanji in group 乙 (fishguts) is "Fishguts is all that remains from Oz-in-form-of-great-fish crashed by tsunami".

Example:
For reading キツ, keyword for キ is key, keyword for ツ is tsunami, so compound keyword is (very important key lost as a result of destruction brought by tsunami), story involving kanjis of the group 詰 (packed) and 喫 (consume) is "Monk of secret order has packed some secret keys entrusted to him by his order in a secret place, but subsequent tsunami consumed all the village, along with his pack of secret *keys*".

P.S. On index page some onyomis have a space in them (between letters), so link becomes incorrect 'cause of extra %20 in it. For example, link for ウオ is
http://kanji.koohii.com/onyomi/ongroup. … 0%E3%82%AA
(which doesn't work)
instead of
http://kanji.koohii.com/onyomi/ongroup. … 6%E3%82%AA
(which does)
But even though it works, section doesn't contain keywords (while index indicates that there's one). When I enter ウオ in lookup editbox, it tells me that group's not found. If I enter ウ オ (with space) it starts some _review_...

this area of the site is still in a bad way i see. i am using firefox and there is all sorts of imaginary readings like シシ for example.

it doesn't seem to have been used much since the last time that i checked and i wonder how many people are actually using it. i personally am not using this section of the site at the moment, in favour of a combination of stackz and mnemosyne.

would still like to see it developed though, it could be a good place to share stories/chains with other members if the word count allowed per groups was increased for a start...


yorks

I was fascinated by "memory palaces" and the kanji chain idea. Although it works and can be quite efficient, I think the kanji chain method is really optimal for learning kanji AND readings at the same time as in the method described by the Russian guy (I'm sorry I can't find all links now at this Osaka Tennouji APOLO i-cafe ).

After finishing RTK I've found that remembering the readings to the kanji was easier than I expected, and I found the sentence learning approach to be quite effective.

So I believe now that after completing RTK Volume 1, a vocabulary and sentence review approach is more effective, and at that point I think most of us will want to get down to some real reading comprehension, communication and writing.

The on-yomi area will become obsolete as soon as I start working on the new vocab/sentence review area.

The next area will have flashcard review for sentences, vocabulary (kanji/kana compounds), and on yomi readings. The beauty of it, if it goes as planned, is that it will let you review only those readings that you actually need in your vocabulary. But since there is also a known amount of chinese readings, it is possible to check one's progress through all possible readings and learn them all systematically, if one wanted to.

So there is no further work planned on the current onyomi area.