Thanks Magamo!!!

じつは、誰でもそんな風に会話を運べる、ちょっとしたテクニックがあるんです。
会話をしていて安心できる人とは逆に、何を話してもこちらが批判されているようで辛くなってしまう人っていますよね。本人に悪意はないのかもしれませんが、相手からするとたまったものではありません。

"The person in queston [the said person] might not mean to harm the listener, but judging from the listener [partner], some "evilness" has stored up [collected], right?"

That's a very literal translation and I can understand the content of that sentence in context with the other given sentence, but I have a question concerning the たまった here. Is the (悪意は)たまった part omitted here?

リブートというのは、パソコンをさいき再起どう動するということです。

This is a sentence in Tae Kim`s guide used to describe how to use use という to describe anything. I`m trying to wrap my head around the second one in particular. Surely it`s entirely unneccesary?

I also have my doubts as to whether it`s a grammatically correct sentence anyway, ignoring the fact that it`s a ridiculous thing to be saying in the first place.

yudantaiteki wrote:

callmedodge wrote:

リブートというのは、パソコンをさいき再起どう動するということです。

This is a sentence in Tae Kim`s guide used to describe how to use use という to describe anything. I`m trying to wrap my head around the second one in particular. Surely it`s entirely unneccesary?

I also have my doubts as to whether it`s a grammatically correct sentence anyway, ignoring the fact that it`s a ridiculous thing to be saying in the first place.

The sentence is fine.  I don't see why it's "ridiculous" since 再起動 is the normal word for "reboot", not リブート.  If you wanted to get rid of one of the という's, the first one would be better, but there's no problem having them both in there.

What makes you suspect it's grammatically incorrect?

I`m not going to claim proficiency at all so I believe you. I don`t think there was any particular reason beyond feeling that one of the という`s were unneccessary is all.

I was just wondering as to their exact purpose in this sentence just so I can replicate it in my own sentences when needed.

In Norwegian Wood he just used the kanji 頰 which I am guessing is an outdated usage for cheek? At the end of the same sentence 頰をつけた was used. I figure it's a kiss on the cheek or something.

On Facebook today somebody has used 呑む - does it indicate some nuance of 飲む or does it just tell me something about that person? (I see the dictionary has 飲む 呑む [服む 飮む])

As you can see here 呑む has also other figurative meanings. I'm not sure if 飲む can mean that too though.

Last edited by Rayath (2012 July 03, 3:25 pm)

@mizunooto: Just for your reference A nice example that makes me remember the difference between 飲む／呑む is the following phrase: 鵜呑み（うのみ）にする -- swallowing (concrete: food, but also abstract: story).

This is just based on how it seems to me, rather than a reliable grammar source, but I think it could be either "That is understood (by me)" or "I understood (that)", but not "You are understood".

I think the difference between the first two is just a matter of emphasis, and without context I'd say that it's neither/both.

The third one seems to mean something different to me, and would only be appropriate if the "you" was also the "it" that was being discussed. I.e. "We've lived together for ten years so I think I understand you", not "I heard what said and I understand you", which sounds okay in English but actually means "I heard what you said and I understand it."

I think a technically correct translation of 分かりました is something like:
It(omitted subject: what you were saying) became clear (to me (who else?). > It's clear now.

in other words "(I) got it." "Understood."  "Okay." "certainly" depending on the context.

Came across the word 「ほげ」 and cant get a clear idea of what it means other than it references a dummy variable in code, which isnt the meaning I am looking for

ちょっとだけ休憩するか
ほげ～

There seem to be a lot of variations like ほげ～、ほげえ、ほげえええ

「*something*」っていうとき困る。

I'm sorry for the censorship , basically I was asked how to say *something* in English, and this was the next line. I can understand up to the いう, but I'm not sure about the exact meaning of 困る and I don't understand the とき at all.

Given the context, how about:  when the writer wants/tries to say [Japanese expression] in English, it's a problem for them (b/c they don't know how, it's awkward or sensitive, etc.)?

(I'm assuming the content of [something] can't be interpreted as a description/type of とき.)

とき　is presumably 時 (used here a bit like conjunctive と)

困る is one of those very common, useful, vague words. It has a few different senses depending on context: troubled, embarrassed, don't know, inconvenienced, annoyed, at a loss, etc.  It can be used as an indirect way to tell someone else not to do something ("If that were to happen, I'd be inconvenienced..."  lol) or simply a description of the (mildly to strongly) negative predicament or reaction to some event or circumstance (I lost my passport and didn't know what to do.) If you read through some dictionary example sentences, you should have a good feel for its use.