qwerty wrote:

(...) normal non-moderator posters may be less likely and less willing to engage/argue with IceCream the almighty moderator than if she herself was a normal non-moderator poster as well. This is not conducive to hearing or reading alternative opinions/views.

Correct. That's why I said "for her own sake" above.

qwerty wrote:

So what actual evidence do I have to support my assertion that IceCream may act in an unproductive manner in regards to future forum discussions? Admittedly, not much.

Ok you've made your point. I appreciate that you did so instead of being silent.

Let me try and settle this...

IceCream comes through as a nice person, and based on the email exchange I've had with her last month, she CAN be very honest about herself, behind the numerous exclamation marks

I would also say that I respect the fact that she's stayed after the "incident" instead of leaving. For all we know, she's learned a lot from that.

That the "incident" weighs in, I can not deny.

So to avoid further arguments, I woul: that IceCream is a little too sensible for the role of moderator.

qwerty wrote:

It's a sarcastic post but I might as well use this opportunity to also vote against the appointment of HonyakuJoshua as moderator

Ok, I think it would be best if we keep it to votes of support otherwise this thread will derail.

Don't worry I'm the admin, I'll pick the right person based on my experience managing this board, and can use the Search feature in doubt.

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For potential moderators:

If you don't want to post here because you are unsure, please PM. This isn't about how many posts you have, or being "liked" by everyone. If you are more of a "lurker" but post once in a while, OR you have made significant contributions in the shared resources threads, that's even better.

It's about your own motivations, and experience with this forum and knowing what it's all about primarily (ie. everything but the Koohii Lounge ).

hahah let's not all have an argument about whether i should be a moderator or not after i've already stepped down

i really should have thought about it a little more before i said anything, i think. Because, honestly, i really enjoy coming here to relax & occasionally let off a little steam. I'm not sure if i really want any responsibility tied to that, especially at a time when i'm taking a lot more responsibilities on in other aspects of my life. Even if there's not a whole lot to do in terms of cleaning up the spam and the other tasks, i'd quite like this place to remain somewhere i can carry on just coming to for fun. Also, i did mention it before, but there's a real chance that i'm going to take a summer job... there's not a whole lot available where i live right now, and so i might not even have internet then.

So, thanks for offering the 2nd moderator thing Fabrice, and thankyou to everyone else for the votes of confidence, but i'll leave it to someone with a bit more time & a bit less fear of responsibility lol.

about the other stuff... hahah i wouldn't use moderator tools for evil or anything silly like that. But if i think about how i would feel if someone like nest0r had been a moderator, i would really have hated it if he had the kind of power to argue forcefully then shut down the posts. It wouldn't even really matter if he did it in a calm manner, it might still have annoyed me. Well, i'm not nest0r, but i can easily imagine that someone who disagrees with a lot of my points of view on things might feel similarly towards me as i would have felt about that. So, i do understand.

hmmmm i wonder how many of my posts get reported then lol?!?

well, whoever is the moderator should change those titles of threads called "what should i do?" and "what do i do now?" and "don't know what to do"

lol

@qwerty i have never lied on this forum - show me where I have.

as for embellishing my qualities part of the reason I came on this forum was to use the what's this word phrase thread and I often admit that grammar is a weakness, although this is partly to encourage me to study.

My website link is to my own facebook page and you can see I am a real person - I wouldn't be doing this if I had nothing to hide. Where's your website? Where are your attempts at helping other forum members? What possessed you to attack me like you did in your post?

In defence of Icecream - she was banned once before but never again - I think that says a lot. I like her posts and her blog and find her to be rational and sane despite having sleep problems. I had sleep problems and they caused me serious havoc.

Soz if this is a loaded question but what happened to Kazelee?

Last edited by HonyakuJoshua (2012 April 08, 7:41 pm)

Are you inferring that you don't want people to ask personal advice here? That's what I gather. I think that would be a big mistake. You don't have to look at the recent topics. If you don't want to read a thread, just don't click on it.

Oh well, to hell with English. I would chose Japanese over it any day of the week.

I can see your point, but you must understand that such titles also have their pros in getting people's attention.

Wow! Of all the threads in this site, the one requesting the assistance of an additional moderator is turning into a full flamed battle. I guess it will give anyone even thinking of taking on such a task a taste of their "mod" responsibilities.

ファブリス wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

I don't think changing rules after people made nominations is fair.

Where did I say there are rules I have to stick to, and where did I say that nominations/votes here are actually relevant for my selection of a moderator?

ファブリス wrote:

The moderator won't have to report with me

If you would like to apply please prefix your post with "APPLY".

I'll keep the application going for a couple weeks or more, we'll see.

If you, the administrator, open a topic titled "Looking for a MODERATOR", and open the application, it's natural to infer that applications will influence who becomes moderator.

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I'm the one here who picks the moderator based on much more extensive data I have that you don't have. Such as private emails, reports from random people about posts that rarely get my intervention, but of which I am aware, among other things.

Fair enough.

Sebastian wrote:

I think letting the kids choose their own "authorities" by themselves as adults could be a good idea.

I didn't use the word "kids" or made any such derogatory comment anywhere in this thread, just to be clear. As for "authority", that's a given, in the context of the moderator or admin job. And I think your idea is a terrible one.

I didn't imply you were being derogatory. It was just an expression, and I didn't intend to be derogatory either. About the authority, I think generally speaking this community is civil enough to give people the benefit of the doubt at least once. It's not like it's going to turn into civil war and people will die anyway.

Sebastian wrote:

I think moderators have to be frequent active users of the forum. If you want someone who will not be taking part of discussions, then you're either looking for a stalker, or someone who simply put isn't using the forum.

Wrong, Katsuo is a frequent visitor, as I see his name in the home page "Who's On" area now and then, and he doesn't post a lot. Yet I believe he would make a good moderator.

I won't comment on Katsuo's hypothetical performance as a moderator because it doesn't concern me. I still think though that it would be natural that people who already spend time actively on the forum would have a better disposition to spend time actively as moderator. I'm not saying that people who don't post a lot can't or shouldn't be moderators, I'm just commenting on my opinion about general aspects of participation in forums, of course I could be wrong, or there could be exceptions.

Again, I think you need to really examine what you think it is that the moderator is doing. A moderator isn't a rock star. A moderator needs to keep a tab on discussions, but not necessarily be liked by everyone, or be a very active poster.

I haven't said that a moderator should be mister/miss congeniality. I do think though that a moderator should be someone who has people's respect and shouldn't be too unpopular.  About being a "very" active poster, we can argue about that, but on the other hand, I don't see why being an active poster should be by itself an impediment to become moderator. Of course, someone who both moderates AND takes active part on posts needs a good judgement, but so does a moderator who doesn't take active participation posting. Actually, I think someone who both posts and moderates will have to be even more responsible of his/her role as moderator, as he/she would be more exposed.

I'm not going to write much more here because I'm not going to "convince" you to do things one way or another. I just replied to try to make my opinions clear, in case they are not understood.

Sebastian wrote:

I also think that there should be at least 2 or 3 moderators. One reason is that it's necessary having a bit of variety of moderating styles so they balance each other. Other reason is that ideally there should be at least 1 or 2 moderators online at every moment, and no single person could (or should) be online all the time.

Yes, two moderators would be nice.

Finally we agree openly in something. Though I think 2 would be a bare minimum, but this forum doesn't need that much moderation anyway, so...

That's a wonderful idea.

I'd like to see kazelee remain as moderator.

ファブリス wrote:

@stehr: He hasn't answered my emails though so I'm not sure he's interested.

One potential issue is that moderators can see the Email address of all users.

I'm not sure how people would feel about that if we have several mods?

Passwords of course could never be seen since they are encrypted, and the moderators don't need to edit profiles.

Is there no way to create a new user class in system that has elevated privileges but lacks Email support? I don't think its a major issue that a mod can see emails really, though knowing an email CAN let you do some stuff these days (Facebook).

I think as long as the punBB creates a thorough history log of Mod's activities and you check from time to time what the mods are doing, I see no issue. I'd feel more at ease knowing a flag is raised in the system every time a mod looks/reveals to themselves what a user's email is. This way you can track the mods and ask them "wtf are you doing?" since there is no need to know what a person's email is usually.

vix86 wrote:

I think as long as the punBB creates a thorough history log of Mod's activities and you check from time to time what the mods are doing, I see no issue. I'd feel more at ease knowing a flag is raised in the system every time a mod looks/reveals to themselves what a user's email is. This way you can track the mods and ask them "wtf are you doing?" since there is no need to know what a person's email is usually.

Nah, PunBB is very basic. I could try replace it with the standard forum email, and maybe allow the (indirect) emailing even if the user blocks forum email. That should be sufficient. It doesn't reveal the email if the other person doesn't respond.

On further thought, I'm not sure it's necessary at all for mods to see the emails. Not even for me, really, mostly for spam.

They also can see IPs but I'd say that's a given for mods.