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ファブリス
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It's been more than two years now, perhaps it's time to get a new mod, or a second one, in case kazelee is still up for it (I sent him email a couple days ago, and waiting for his reply).

For the good of the community here, I'd love to see an established member apply for moderation. I can't invest enough time and attention to the forum as I used to.

But I would like to do it properly this time: the moderator will be fully responsible for closing topics, managing reports about troublesome posts, and waving the ban stick if necessary. I may continue to rename some topics (tidying up for Search feature) but otherwise I am delegating all moderation to you.

If you are interested a few notes:

SPAM: For spam generally I ask the moderator to edit the text, empty the post content but otherwise leave it there, as well as the "report" in the admin panel. This allows me to check later for IP range bans to reduce likelyhood of repeated spam from the same person. So for the most part, you don't need to handle SPAM.

RIGHTS: What rights does the moderator actually have?

* Delete troublesome topics
* Delete troublesome posts
* Edit posts
* Set user titles
* Ban user

The following permissions are NOT enabled for mods:

* Renaming users
* Edit user profile (email, location, website url...)
* Change user password

Two reasons: 1) Privacy and protection of user accounts; 2) Renaming or deleting accounts is done by a script through Terminal. I take care of user accounts and registration issues.

ROLES:
* Tidy up topic titles to help with forum Search.
* Issue warnings and temporary bans if necessary.
* Close troublesome topics.
* Edit or delete offensive posts.
* Handle all reports in the admin panel that are not SPAM.
* Sticky/Unsticky topics of interest.
* Set user titles based on forum games or in recognition of participation. I would have loved to do this, but I couldn't follow regularly enough, especially when I was developing the site.

The moderator won't have to report with me, other than if there are serious complaints from members; or if they want to update the forum rules. You should be FULLY COMFORTABLE in particular with the rules about sharing illegal downloads, and enforce them (posts that blatantly ignore the rules, no need to verify everything).

The moderator should be an active member, registered at least one year ago.

If you would like to apply please prefix your post with "APPLY".

I'll keep the application going for a couple weeks or more, we'll see.

IceCream
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Registered: 2009-05-08
Posts: 3124

can we do nominations again? smile

i vote for:
yudan, pm215, kainzero, splatted. All of them seem to have got their heads screwed on properly and don't tend to rise up when people disagree with them or confront them. No idea if any of them would want to do it, but, yknow. i'm sure there's lots more people that i've forgotten.

Kazelee was good, but i haven't seen him post here in aaaages, so...

Last edited by IceCream (2012 April 06, 12:09 pm)

Zgarbas
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I vote for Icecream.

edit for reasons: She's level-headed, constant and by far the most patient person I've ever seen on the Internet. Even when faced with arguments that made me facepalm all the way to China she still managed to come back with a logical and level-headed response, and I think that's a good trait for a moderator to have.

Last edited by Zgarbas (2012 April 06, 1:49 pm)

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ファブリス
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From: Belgium
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You can vote, but perhaps say briefly why or post encouragements? Because unless the person applies, I can't make them into a moderator.

It's a social/community role that could be rewarding, but it also has some responsibilities. Especially if I can take more of a back seat as I plan.

Reply #5 - 2012 April 06, 1:25 pm
kainzero
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From: Los Angeles
Registered: 2009-08-31
Posts: 925

i'd do it if there was a second moderator. i don't trust myself to be a sole moderator because i need someone to keep me in check when i go power mad or get lazy with responsibility, the latter often a response to the former being rejected. lol

Reply #6 - 2012 April 06, 3:48 pm
Splatted
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From: England
Registered: 2010-10-02
Posts: 645

Hmm, I might want to do it but I haven't decided yet. Having more than one moderator is definitely a good idea though, especially if one of them's me. I've been corrupted by power before. tongue

I second the vote for IceCream (if she wants to do it); she has extraordinary amounts of both patience and empathy, and always seems willing to consider the other side of an argument and admit when she was wrong. She's also very active on the forum.

There are loads of other people that would make good moderators, including those mentioned, but IceCream really stands out to me.

Reply #7 - 2012 April 06, 4:06 pm
thurd
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From: Poland
Registered: 2009-04-07
Posts: 744

Another vote for IceCream if she's willing to do it. Except for that 'episode' she seems reliable and is very active.

Reply #8 - 2012 April 06, 4:52 pm
pm215
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From: UK
Registered: 2008-01-26
Posts: 1352

IceCream wrote:

i vote for:
yudan, pm215, kainzero, splatted

Thanks, but (at least for the next 6 months) I've got a pile of Stuff to deal with and don't want to take on another commitment...

I would agree that a small team of mods is probably better if there are enough volunteers, though -- continuity of moderation if somebody is busy/away/drops out, somebody else who can provide "am I being reasonable?" sanity checks, and helps to spread the load a bit.

Reply #9 - 2012 April 06, 5:03 pm
HonyakuJoshua
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From: The Unique City of Liverpool
Registered: 2011-06-03
Posts: 571
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Now, as we all know, I am obviously the best candidate for this, and anyone who claimed otherwise would be an imbecile. However, the 8547 Japanese sentences Anki Deck is taking up too much of my time. Yudantaiteki would definitely be my next choice as he is one of the best on here at Japanese which is well, what the forum is all about. He is also good at explaining things and always gives balanced and argued responses.

@Fabrice or anyone who knows: What does set user titles mean?

Reply #10 - 2012 April 06, 5:29 pm
ファブリス
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@HonyakuJoshua: it's that small "Member" label to the left. It's really a small thing, but on some forums they often have "ranks", and people like to have something there to show up for their participation.

So while I didn't do that myself for lack of time, especially when I was developing the site more regularly, I have no problem if the mods want to hand out some titles, so long as it doesn't cause too much fuss.

Reply #11 - 2012 April 06, 5:37 pm
HonyakuJoshua
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From: The Unique City of Liverpool
Registered: 2011-06-03
Posts: 571
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Thanks, I had seen this feature on other forums but honestly didn't make the connection. I see some funny, deprecating titles on other forums and would love to see them on here.

Would there be any way of moderating by vote where if enough regular posters voted for someone to be banned s/he would be?

Reply #12 - 2012 April 06, 5:49 pm
Splatted
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From: England
Registered: 2010-10-02
Posts: 645

@HonyakuJoshua: I don't think that's a good idea. It gives people free reign to post simply for the purpose of undermining other members.

Reply #13 - 2012 April 06, 7:09 pm
yudantaiteki
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From: 東京
Registered: 2009-10-03
Posts: 3014

Moderation by vote is bad.

I'm not sure I really want to be a moderator...thanks for the votes of confidence but I don't have the consistent time to put into it.

Reply #14 - 2012 April 06, 8:17 pm
ファブリス
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HonyakuJoshua wrote:

Would there be any way of moderating by vote (...)

No, this forum platform doesn't have any features like that, such as upvoting posts or users.

Reply #15 - 2012 April 06, 8:22 pm
ファブリス
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From: Belgium
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Posts: 3699
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Ok so far kainzero and Splatted have shown interest.

Reply #16 - 2012 April 06, 9:11 pm
Sebastian
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Registered: 2008-09-09
Posts: 520

Another vote for IceCream, if she's interested.

She seems to be rational and supportive.

Reply #17 - 2012 April 06, 9:38 pm
Norman
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From: Japan
Registered: 2012-02-19
Posts: 144

yudantaiteki wrote:

Moderation by vote is bad.

I'm not sure I really want to be a moderator...thanks for the votes of confidence but I don't have the consistent time to put into it.

This is a good point. You have to find someone willing to invest time. I was a moderator on three boards, one had very heavy traffic. It was a lot of work and responsibility. It ll started for me when I was a previously active poster on one board, and I was asked to moderate- and I did so for 3+ years. Other boards asked be t moderate for them and so on. It was a lot different for me than simply visiting a board whenever I had free time to do so and post whatever I wanted. After becoming a moderator, I felt I couldn't participate freely in discussions, especially if the topic got into a heated exchange. It was sort of like being a student in class and give the role as a class monitor. No fun.

This board wouldn't be too hard to manage. It has a friendly atmosphere and everyone is just sharing advice to each other. I love this site and my current status as an ocassional poster/visitor. I don't want to change that. There are many decent people on this board to choose from. You just have to find someone willing to do so, and provide them with some idea of what they are getting into.

Reply #18 - 2012 April 07, 4:32 am
IceCream
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wow, thanks guys!!! big_smile

sure, i'm here often enough that i could be a moderator i think... but i would also prefer to share the role with others!!! I do sometimes need to be told to cool my head a bit. big_smile

Also, i'm trying to busy my life up quite a lot this year, and i might try to get one of those summer jobs + housing, and if i do that, i'm not sure if i'll have the internet at all. I guess we can cross that bridge when if it comes to it though? If there are a few of us it might not matter too much...

Also, one thing is, i really do like participating in discussions. A lot of the threads that have ended up being closed, I've participated in in some way or another. So... i dunno, i wondered if it wouldn't be sort of horribly annoying for the other side if i've argued and then end up closing the thread...? I guess it doesn't really matter too much, but if there's people that potentially would feel like that, please step forward and say so, i'll understand smile

EDIT: @honyakujoshua lol wht? this ain't big brother ;-)

Last edited by IceCream (2012 April 07, 4:48 am)

Reply #19 - 2012 April 07, 5:47 am
jettyke
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Registered: 2008-04-07
Posts: 1192

IceCream wrote:

wow, thanks guys!!! big_smile

sure, i'm here often enough that i could be a moderator i think... but i would also prefer to share the role with others!!! I do sometimes need to be told to cool my head a bit. big_smile

Then my vote definitely goes to you big_smile
You would be my favourite moderator, I think smile

Reply #20 - 2012 April 07, 6:14 am
Zgarbas
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From: Romania
Registered: 2011-10-09
Posts: 885
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IceCream wrote:

Also, one thing is, i really do like participating in discussions. A lot of the threads that have ended up being closed, I've participated in in some way or another. So... i dunno, i wondered if it wouldn't be sort of horribly annoying for the other side if i've argued and then end up closing the thread...? I guess it doesn't really matter too much, but if there's people that potentially would feel like that, please step forward and say so, i'll understand smile

Many of those conversations end up being closed because they end up insulting and/or blatantly offtopic/extremely repetitive. As a moderator you could just issue a warning when the conversations cross the line, and if they choose to continue then you just close it. It's pretty standard procedure.

Reply #21 - 2012 April 07, 2:16 pm
Blahah
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From: Cambridge, UK
Registered: 2008-07-15
Posts: 715
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I also strongly support IceCream becoming a moderator. She's been here pretty consistently for the last few years, apart from one episode which was explained and discussed at length. That means we know her personality quite well, making her less of a risk as an appointee than someone with a lower post count or who has been here less time. I feel like IceCream always adds evidence-based rationality to discussions, and she re-evaluates her own position frequently, which leads to a sense of balance in her posts. Unlike other rational posters, she's also strongly empathetic and is often one of the first members to reach out when people are in need.

She's one of the major characters in the community, and I think appointing her a mod would be a natural move. Also, unlike some of the other high-post-count members, she's relatively uncontroversial and doesn't have an inflated ego.

I don't think any form of vote-based banning would be appropriate. The system would be wide open to abuse, and what's more the purpose of having a moderator is that you can control to some extent the direction of a community, not to let it be guided by whatever weirdos roll in.

Reply #22 - 2012 April 07, 2:40 pm
ファブリス
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Being a very frequent poster and a moderator at the same time isn't convenient, as Norman pointed out. IceCream shouldn't be a moderator, imho, and I say that for her own sake. She could help out with some tasks, if she seconds another mod.

Norman wrote:

You just have to find someone willing to do so, and provide them with some idea of what they are getting into.

Main activities of the moderator:

* Sorting: moving threads  (without a "redirection" topic behind, as that just clogs up the board).
* Editing topic titles for better search: removing all caps, special characters and other oddities on a case by case basis.
* Sticky-ing, un-stickying topics of interest.
* Cleaning up stickied topics so they work better as collections of links or resources without all the chit chat.
* Spam: usually just empty the post content so that I (admin) can get to it when I have time, and have the username and post IP still available to setup IP range bans etc. As of now, there's usually only a few spam posts per week. Sometimes not at all (been awfully quiet spam-wise this last month, weird).

The less pleasant activities:

* Reports: handling reports about obnoxious / derailing posts. Not much to do here as most reports tend to be minor things that don't need intervention. Sometimes a really grumpy post may be deleted. Case by case basis. These are things that require no explantion.

* Divisive topics: that's the only part really where authority has to be enforced, in that you have to make a decision whether to close a topic, or issue a warning to a specific person. The mod should provide a brief explanation for closing the topic, but without need to argue or justify everything.

Reply #23 - 2012 April 08, 7:04 am
IceCream
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Thankyou everyone for saying SUCH kind things about me..... i really appreciate all your kind words!!!!! ^_^_^_^

But, well, Fabrice knows what it's like to be a mod, so if he doesn't think it's a good idea, i'll take his word for it. I'm perfectly happy to just remain a normal member. I do see the reasoning... smile

And, like i said, i'm gonna be doing a ton of other things year anyway, so it might be better to not take on this kind of responsibility right now anyway. There's tons of people who would make awesome mods on this site, hopefully more'll step forward!!!

Reply #24 - 2012 April 08, 10:20 am
ファブリス
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From: Belgium
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You could help out as a second moderator, IceCream, meaning you could do all the above list except the last item: closing topics and issuing warnings to troublesome posters. Either you will be too involved in discussions, which you acknowledged yourself, or to compensate for that you may be too laidback about it.

The moderator role I think is a social/community role so I imagine that would be one motivation.

Another motivation would be an interest in the forum's organization.

Really the "moderation" part is secondary. But when it's needed, it's needed.

Reply #25 - 2012 April 08, 12:13 pm
qwertyytrewq
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From: Gall Bladder
Registered: 2011-10-18
Posts: 298

I'm going to be in the minority and vote against the appointment of IceCream as moderator.

IceCream is a very opinionated person with an opinion/view on just about everything (see post history). There's absolutely no problem with that by itself and I wasn't implying there was any.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Ideally speaking, a moderator should be neutral in any discussion unless posts involve personal abuse, spam or any other type of non-productive post. As said, IceCream likes to take a side and express her views on a variety of issues. However, if she is armed with moderator privileges, and under heated debate conditions, normal non-moderator posters may be less likely and less willing to engage/argue with IceCream the almighty moderator than if she herself was a normal non-moderator poster as well. This is not conducive to hearing or reading alternative opinions/views.

That's the best case "bad" scenario, where the forum acts as an echo chamber for her opinions which is a realistic possibility since this forum isn't an extremely high-traffic forum. The worst case scenario would be if she uses her toolbox of moderator privileges to skew discussions in her favor.

So what actual evidence do I have to support my assertion that IceCream may act in an unproductive manner in regards to future forum discussions? Admittedly, not much.

However, I would like to remind and point out that it takes a certain sort of person or a certain state of mind to manually delete their own 1800+ posts one-by-one:

http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=7489

What conclusion that can be derived from that fact or whether/what it can explain/predict the nature of a particular person, is up to the individual.

Also worth noting is that she was banned once before (see last post of above thread).

HonyakuJoshua wrote:

Now, as we all know, I am obviously the best candidate for this, and anyone who claimed otherwise would be an imbecile.

It's a sarcastic post but I might as well use this opportunity to also vote against the appointment of HonyakuJoshua as moderator for the following main reasons:

1) A tendency to lie about something and/or embellish one's own qualities (http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=9424)
2) A tendency to be aggressive/overly aggressive in Internet posts as well as real life (assuming the claims of events in real life have any basis in reality) and this does not sit well with the moderator position. Examples include fighting on the streets "intermittently" (could be because of bad area or because of provocation, who knows) and others (http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=9476)

Last edited by qwertyytrewq (2012 April 08, 12:31 pm)