Remove easy cards -- Yes/No/Easy/Remove

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Reply #1 - 2011 March 09, 7:22 pm
chamcham
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Good Evening,

I know that you can remove cards via the Manage interface.
But I think it would be great if you could remove cards from your
kanji deck while reviewing.

So when you flip your review cards, there would be
Yes/No/Easy/Remove.

"Remove" would remove the kanji from your study
deck (in the same way that the Manage tab can
remove cards. of course, your stories won't be deleted).

Right now, I have a script that scans text and makes
a list of all RTK kanji that appear in the text. Then I use
the manage tab to add them.

The problem for me is that some cards are just so easy they're
not worth reviewing. Often, I just want to concentrate on the cards
that I don't know or have difficulty with.

For example, a j-drama episode roughly contains 400-500 unique
kanji. If I know 300 of them well, then I really only want to concentrate
on the 100-200 that I don't know.

There would be especially good for people doing reviews on smartphones
and tablets. It has the potential for slimming down your kanji deck and
lets you focus on the kanji that really matter to you.

Thanks.

Last edited by chamcham (2011 March 09, 7:26 pm)

Tzadeck
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From: Kinki
Registered: 2009-02-21
Posts: 2132

If cards are too easy, why not just hit easy?  Seeing a card very very very rarely is pretty much the same as not seeing it ever.

The whole point of SRS is to do what you describe--only give you the cards you need to review.

Two ways it could hurt is by removing simplicity (you'd probably get people asking when it's appropriate to remove cards), and by the possibility of removing cards by mistake.

Last edited by Tzadeck (2011 March 09, 11:03 pm)

erlog
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Registered: 2007-01-25
Posts: 518

Let the SRS do its job. I could understand wanting to trim super easy cards if you had a very limited number of boxes or intervals within the system, but this site has a max of a 240 day interval.

So if you mastered all 3000 RTK kanji to the point where you had them all at a 240 day interval then it would average out to about 13 flash cards a day to maintain your knowledge. That's pretty much nothing. Even on a 4 month interval it would only be about 25 flash cards a day which is pretty close to nothing in terms of a time commitment.

Don't worry about it. The cards don't stack up for review the way you think they stack up. They tend to spread themselves out over time to the point where you will get fewer and fewer cards to review each day as the cards move their way up through the boxes.

This fact can be used pretty neatly to calculate how many new cards should be studied every day. I try to study 200 sentence cards per day for instance. About 130 come up for review, on some days more/some days less. I then add as many new sentence cards as I need to reach around 200 cards, and everything works itself out. When material is taking more time to learn than it should then fewer cards are added because more are failing over into short intervals. In cases where I'm blazing through material I already know I can add around 150 new cards a day without worrying about it.

Trust the SRS. It knows you better than you know yourself. I could understand if your Anki deck was just becoming unwieldly at more than about 5000 items, but that case is not what will ever happen on this site.

Last edited by erlog (2011 March 09, 11:31 pm)

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ta12121
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@erlog
yes let the srs do the work, it definitely knows us better than we know ourselves(memory)

Reply #5 - 2011 March 10, 5:41 am
Splatted
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Registered: 2010-10-02
Posts: 645

I'm with chamcham on this. Deleting unnecessary cards is a good way of slimming down your deck. Is there really any point to reviewing all your kanji every 240 days? Most of those you will have seen countless times in books and articles during that time, and despite what some people think, 13 cards a day is not insignificant. That time really adds up when it's over the course of years, and if you're doing the same with your other decks it will be alot more.

In addition to this, it's going to be months before all your cards get to the last box, so the 13 a day figure is quite deceptive.

Last edited by Splatted (2011 March 10, 5:41 am)

Reply #6 - 2011 March 10, 6:38 am
Tzadeck
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From: Kinki
Registered: 2009-02-21
Posts: 2132

If you do take RTK that seriously and let every one of your cards mature, I guess there's a good reason to remove cards.  I don't personally believe that you should stick with RTK that long, but I know some people do.

But I'm still against having it on the main page.  I just think it will confuse people about what the point of SRS is when they first begin.  I remember being pretty damn confused about SRS when I first started, and when my friends have joined this site I've had to explain it to them quite a bit. 

I also constantly hit the wrong button by mistake, so I wouldn't want any system of removal that would be easy enough that you could do it by mistake.

KMDES
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From: Canada
Registered: 2009-09-28
Posts: 306

Why not just make th remove button a button that is way off from the other buttons? Like the delete button, or better yet, D+ delete or some combination. Then you know for sure it coldn't of been an accident. Or even setting a button to disable a card instead of deleting it would be effective.

chamcham
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Blahah wrote:

Just use the delete card keyboard shortcut, the functionality is already there. No need for a button.

On mac it is cmd-del, you can find the one for your OS by opening a deck to study and going to the 'Edit' menu, it will say the shortcut to the right of the Delete option.

Having a two-key combination is a good thing, you can't accidentally delete a card.

You're talking about Anki, but this thread is about RevTK.

Everyone, thanks for the comments.

Although, I'd still rather have a remove card option (a keyboard shortcut
would be even better).

I'd like to use it for cramming. For example, take an article on FNN-news.
Extract all the kanji. Remove the really simply kanji and study the remainder
of the deck for the rest of the day. Erase the deck. Start over again the next day.
It's more for short-term cramming. Well, not just news articles, but also j-pop songs,
cooking recipes, fitness instructions, etc. J-pop songs tend to have 40 to 60 unique kanji.

I think everyone's comments is more gear towards long-term SRS (for ex, studying all
2042 kanji on a daily basis). I've already finished RTK1 twice.

erlog
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From: Japan
Registered: 2007-01-25
Posts: 518

This site is for the long term, though. If you want that kind of granularity then you should just study in Anki because it'll be able to do everything you want it to do, and more.

You're describing a use case that this site is specifically not designed to handle.

Reply #10 - 2011 March 11, 4:31 am
ファブリス
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Posts: 3699
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erlog wrote:

You're describing a use case that this site is specifically not designed to handle.

That's incorrect. The suggested feature is not implemented on the Review page, that is all.

Fyi, deleting flashcards can be done from the Manage pages and the Study pages, with the Edit Flashcard icon at the top right.

I'd suggest a work around of middle clicking the keyword to open a Study page in a new tab, and delete the card there. However the review page will complain when it sends answers to the server and the card is gone.

I don't know if I have the time to work on this now. I'll have a look at it.

Reply #11 - 2011 March 11, 5:16 am
Splatted
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ファブリス wrote:

I'd suggest a work around of middle clicking the keyword to open a Study page in a new tab, and delete the card there.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't have a middle button to click. I think it's pretty common for laptops not to have one as well. I don't use the site SRS anymore, so it's fine with me if you set it up like this, but I thought it was worth mentioning that for some people that solution would be useless.

Reply #12 - 2011 March 11, 6:35 am
ファブリス
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Splatted wrote:

I thought it was worth mentioning that for some people that solution would be useless.

I don't think it would be "useless". The keyword on flashcards is a link, and laptop users should be able to browse the Study page by using either a middle click gesture, or the "open in new window" gesture.

On a Mac you can open a new window by Shift-clicking (tapping) the link. When your browser is fullscreen it appears to replace your current window with a new one. Do whatever you want to do on the Study page, then hit Cmd-W or Windows equivalent to close the new window.

Shift-clicking a link is a convenient shortcut for right clicking and selecting "Open in new window" in the contextual menu.

Reply #13 - 2011 March 12, 6:00 pm
ファブリス
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OP wrote:

I know that you can remove cards via the Manage interface.
But I think it would be great if you could remove cards from your
kanji deck while reviewing.

I have it working now on my local copy. Will be live early next week.

You will get a little wrench icon in the top right of the card which pulls down the same Edit Flashcard menu as on the Study page. Besides the "Delete flashcard" option, you also get the flashcard info as on the Study page (Box, Pass/Fail counts, Last reviewed). You can also undo and re-answer the card with Yes/No/Easy.

I'm not sure if I want to add a Delete shortcut key. It's a bit dangerous especially if the key is anywhere close to the existing shortcuts.

As a reminder, you can also remove cards from the Study page by clicking the icon on the upper right.

Reply #14 - 2011 March 14, 2:27 pm
ファブリス
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See today's update in the Site News.

On further thought, I added a keyboard shortcut (D) because a red box shows when you delete a flashcard, and it is possible to undo in case of mistake/mistype.

Reply #15 - 2011 March 28, 1:00 pm
chamcham
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Registered: 2005-11-11
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Thanks Fabrice!

I've used the new feature so many times already that I can't imagine
not having it.

Reply #16 - 2011 March 28, 3:01 pm
ファブリス
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Glad to hear it's working smile

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