Is 100 new kanji a day exaggerated?

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Miguelitius
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From: Portugal
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Hi, I'm Miguel and I'm 16 years old. I'm now restarting my RTK progress. Like 2 months ago, I started my RTK but unfortunately it lasted not even 2 full weeks. I did 100 new kanji a day, so at the end of the first week I was already at frame 7xx. I was doing good but there was a problem, it took me too much time from my day to review and learn all that. So one day I came home late and wasn't able to do all of my reps, and it got worse with each day. I wasn't sleeping even 6 hours a day so I was very sleepy at the time. I would take even more time to remember each kanji in average because I was so sleepy. And finally I found myself with a pile of 400 kanji to review and so on... What do you think of my experience? Now I'm gonna start over and do maybe 50(?) average a day.

Jarvik7
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Just make sure to finish all reviews/faileds for the day before adding new kanji. That will ensure that you only add as much as you can handle for as much time as you have (if you spend all your time on reviews you won't have any time to add kanji that day). It's self-balancing.

100 a day is definitely doable (I did more like 150 per day for the last half of the book), but you need a lot of free time every day.

Miguelitius
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Yeah, the problem is I definitely don't have a lot of free time. But I'll try to make things better this time, I'll "play" more with my goals and won't be so strict. Also, I'll add the stories in white to the flashcards this time. BTW, your avatar, it's the hanzi for biang biang noodles right? XD

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zigmonty
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Doing 100 a day, failing, reseting, doing 50 a day, possibly failing, resetting again? Is your reason for wanting to do so many per day because you want to move quickly or so you can boast? Because if it's the former, well, you just wasted a bunch of time. Just do what you have time to do. Reviews first, new cards if you have time.

Last edited by zigmonty (2010 October 05, 7:20 am)

Tzadeck
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Do 25 a day.  Problem solved.

Miguelitius
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Yes I want to do this phase of my japanese learning as quick as possible because as I'm not really learning how to speak japanese nor anything like that, I find this phase not as... fun (it makes me want to rush through it so I can get to the next phase).
EDIT: Probably what I'll do from now on is:
1) review everything;
2) and ONLY then start adding kanji after kanji and try to do as many as I can.
Oh, and BTW... About the boasting: Why would I want to boast myself of rushing through RTK when probably almost everyone I know thinks it's stupid for me to learn japanese and gives 0 value to it? Boasting to random Internet people?... O.o

Last edited by Miguelitius (2010 October 05, 8:15 am)

bertoni
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From: Mountain View, CA, USA
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I added about 100 cards a day for the last 4-5 days of book 1, but I had an hour a day set aside for study, and fairly often had two hours.  If you're having troubles, slow down.  If not, enjoy.

pm215
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Miguelitius wrote:

Yes I want to do this phase of my japanese learning as quick as possible because as I'm not really learning how to speak japanese nor anything like that, I find this phase not as... fun (it makes me want to rush through it so I can get to the next phase).

Try one of the RTK 'lite' variants that uses a smaller number of kanji. Then you can come back to the rest later. Or do some actual Japanese study alongside RTK. Or don't do RTK at all (heresy around here I know, but lots of people in the wider world have taken that approach, including me). Any of these approaches seems likely to be more interesting and effective than trying to burn through full RTK at some insane rate...

FooSoft
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Learning to write Kanji is such a small part of time investment compared to learning the rest of the language that it doesn't really matter if you do 25 or 100 a day in the long run. Only two things are important: fun and consistency.

For the record, I got through RTK1+3 at an average rate of 25-30 characters a day. This isn't a lot but it allowed me to finish my daily reviews even on the busiest days. From doing 100 vocab a day for several months straight I can tell you while indeed doable, it's probably not worth it in terms of the number of reviews you have to do each day.

Last edited by FooSoft (2010 October 05, 4:46 pm)

Reply #10 - 2010 October 06, 8:31 am
Miguelitius
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From: Portugal
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Are there more than one RTK Lite variants? I think it's a great idea! Actually I just blocked all kanji not included in RTK Lite already. smile

Reply #11 - 2010 October 06, 9:16 am
EratiK
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I think it's an allusion to the ultra lite version which has only 500 hundred kanji. But sticking to the "normal" 1000 version is fine though in your case (since you seem motivated).

Last edited by EratiK (2010 October 06, 9:18 am)

Miguelitius
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From: Portugal
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I think that the Ultra Lite version is TOO Lite, you know what I mean? Just 80% of coverage will make me unable to read 1 in 5 texts. Of course this is just an average but I prefer to learn the 1115 and then starting my sentence-mining much more comfortably. I may be mistaken though. My intention right now is to do the 1115 from RTK Lite, but I would like to hear an opinion from all of you smile. BTW, a big thanks to everyone who already replied, I kindly appreciate your help.

ta12121
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I'd personally just say go up to 3007. That way, you won't need to learn anymore. [Well you can but, the amount of what needs to be learned will be very minimum] 
I forgot what 3007 kanji is in terms of frequency[95%+?]

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Asriel
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From: 東京
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I'm personally just say go up to 3007

Says the guy who uses 真逆 instead of まさか.


Miguelitius, since you're not learning any actual Japanese during this step, I'd agree with a lot of people here and probably just go through Lite to give yourself a launch pad to get into actually reading things and learning words. You're not going to need 勅 (imperial order) in order to start reading something like よつばと. Frankly, you probably wouldn't need much kanji at all...

By then you should be able to use heisig's primitives and stuff to add kanji as you encounter them. Or...you know...go through all 3007 kanji in your free time.

EratiK
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(Don't frighten him ta12121!)
Eventually you'll get to 3007, but do like, a 1000 each year.
So start with the lite, enjoy native material, and next summer, you'll want to study the remaining 1000 naturally. Same next year.

Last edited by EratiK (2010 October 06, 11:23 am)

ta12121
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EratiK wrote:

(Don't frighten him ta12121!)
Eventually you'll get to 3007, but do like, a 1000 each year.
So start with the lite, enjoy native material, and next summer, you'll want to study the remaining 1000 naturally. Same next year.

Didn't mean to scare anyone. I recommend doing the kanji slowly. No need to force yourself to do 100 per day. Only if you want that is.
20-30 is usual how people do it[and finish in 3months all 3007 kanji]

Reply #17 - 2010 October 06, 3:25 pm
FooSoft
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ta12121 wrote:

I'd personally just say go up to 3007. That way, you won't need to learn anymore. [Well you can but, the amount of what needs to be learned will be very minimum] 
I forgot what 3007 kanji is in terms of frequency[95%+?]

I'm at 3220 and I still learn a good half-dozen new characters every week (not even counting names) wink

Reply #18 - 2010 October 06, 4:20 pm
ta12121
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FooSoft wrote:

ta12121 wrote:

I'd personally just say go up to 3007. That way, you won't need to learn anymore. [Well you can but, the amount of what needs to be learned will be very minimum] 
I forgot what 3007 kanji is in terms of frequency[95%+?]

I'm at 3220 and I still learn a good half-dozen new characters every week (not even counting names) wink

are we talking about RTK-wise? Or have you really gotten to 3200+? so far. Which is awesome, if true!

So far I'm only at 2200+ so far kanji(in terms of reading-wise). This is what my anki srs deck states

Reply #19 - 2010 October 06, 4:21 pm
andresito
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Miguel, is possible to do it, in fact, there's a way that worked for me doing 100 a day.
I wrote this a year ago but published until this month.

andriyev.posterous.com/simple-guide-to-rtk

To be honest, there's no rush, the kanji and RevTK stills here, but if you're passionate about the language and feel better when doing it go for it,

Reply #20 - 2010 October 06, 4:24 pm
thurd
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From: Poland
Registered: 2009-04-07
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I'd just briefly go through RTK1 (lite or normal) and forget about SRS/stories/writing at this point. Just do vocab instead, RTK can wait and if you get serious about your studies you can always do it properly (granted you want to learn how to write/recognize each kanji).

Your brain just needs to be familiar with kanji and information about what primitives create "imperial edict" are quite pointless to you at the beginning. In my opinion RTK is good if you want to write (by hand) but other than that its value is a little bit overrated and people give it way too much attention.

I spent 2 months doing RTK, another 4 months trying to get over my huge pile of reviews only to drop it soon after I started learning vocab/grammar. I don't feel dropping RTK affected my studies in any way (besides giving me more time to actually study) but I know I'd love to have that 6 months back...

Reply #21 - 2010 October 06, 4:36 pm
Miguelitius
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From: Portugal
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Don't worry you won't scare me XP. One of my objectives in japanese learning is in fact to learn like 4xxx Kanji or even more, who knows...
I think I made my decision guys smile, I'll do RTK Lite first, then start sentence-mining along learning new kanji.

Reply #22 - 2010 October 06, 4:39 pm
FooSoft
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ta12121 wrote:

are we talking about RTK-wise? Or have you really gotten to 3200+? so far. Which is awesome, if true!

So far I'm only at 2200+ so far kanji(in terms of reading-wise). This is what my anki srs deck states

We are close! I'm at 2263 unique kanji in my vocab deck, but 3220 in my kanji deck big_smile

Reply #23 - 2010 October 06, 4:55 pm
ta12121
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FooSoft wrote:

ta12121 wrote:

are we talking about RTK-wise? Or have you really gotten to 3200+? so far. Which is awesome, if true!

So far I'm only at 2200+ so far kanji(in terms of reading-wise). This is what my anki srs deck states

We are close! I'm at 2263 unique kanji in my vocab deck, but 3220 in my kanji deck big_smile

Vocab deck(main one)=2535 unique kanji! [Exact number]
RTK kanji(production deck)=3025[Exact number]
Sentence Deck=2126 unique kanji [Exact number]
[Date:Today, so everything up till today i guess]

These are my 3 main decks.

Last edited by ta12121 (2010 October 06, 4:58 pm)

Reply #24 - 2010 October 06, 5:13 pm
harhol
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Surely the real test of deck manliness is the number of mature cards?

Reply #25 - 2010 October 06, 5:37 pm
FooSoft
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Kanji deck:

Total number of cards: 3220
Total number of facts: 3220

Card Maturity
Mature cards: 3109 (96.6%)
Young cards: 111 (3.4%)
Unseen cards: 0 (0.0%)
Average interval: 180.3 days

Vocab deck:

Total number of cards: 9621
Total number of facts: 9621

Card Maturity
Mature cards: 7684 (79.9%)
Young cards: 1917 (19.9%)
Unseen cards: 20 (0.2%)
Average interval: 76.9 days

My vocab deck stats aren't that good, partially due to the 100 vocab a day marathon... I had a sentence deck with about 11k sentences, but I dropped it since vocab decks are IMO far superior to sentence decks from my experience.

Last edited by FooSoft (2010 October 06, 5:46 pm)