Dumb question, but will this site be updating the flash cards with the new kanji?  Also, are there any kanji that aren't in RTK 3?

Last edited by Hero of Time (2010 July 01, 11:21 am)

Tobberoth wrote:

There are tens of thousands of kanji not in RtK3.

I mean of the new required kanji, not kanji in general.

You have done a lot of work here, I'm sure a lot of people will find this really helpful!

It is just down to everyone to create their own stories and methods to remember the 23. It really is not that hard guys, just don't be lazy, and you'll get what you want.

Remember, its only 23! Look at how everything else has been handed down to you with hardly no effort on your behalf.

頑張らないと～

もし、本当に上手になりたければ、集中して、しっかりと勉強しなきゃ

Last edited by gazghost (2010 July 03, 6:01 am)

It's simple enough to add the supplement Kanji that appear in RTK3 using their original number system to the deck of cards you are studying (of course, we still miss the 20something that don't appear).  Adjusting to a new numbering system WOULD be convenient for some, it's at least currently possible to add them in.

However, I've just noticed a different snag.
Evidently, Heisig has updated some of his keywords since the list for this site was made.  I've only progressed through the first lesson of the supplement, but I've already encountered two kanji whose keywords in the supplement don't match up with the keywords in the list on this site.  I don't know how far this extends, but I'm sure there are others that he has updated.

This puts a serious kink in my reviewing (unless I learn both keywords), so I'd like to request an update that would add the new keywords alongside the older ones, similar to the other kanji whose keywords have been changed with version updates (ie, menacing/upbraid, etc).

Keywords for the following have changed: 2190, 2437, 2716, 2736,  2858

Gavin, these 2 errors are in the supplement (and therefore in your list above):

    [1687a]     痕 should be 2578 (not 2758)
     [676a]      弄 should be 2558 (not 2258)

Mr Heisig needs a proofreader, generally. (Katsuo, do you note errors in the text in your chats with him by any chance?)

I agree with J7 that Mr Heisig's decision to go with simplified characters when The Committee had settled on the old forms is a bit odd. I read that Asahi ditched their simplified set when that decision was made.

As for pro and cons, it seems like a wash. Technology may have made writing less of an issue, but dense characters can look like blobs on screen and page. There's already a mix out there, so it won't cause a massive upheaval either way. And even if current simplification isn't perfect, that shouldn't be a reason to muddle it more for future students.  Perhaps they prefer to keep consistency in printed material? (though I doubt it would create any reading problems.)

But having one official form while encoding and create fonts for both doesn't sound like an ideal solution to me. I wonder why he thinks the simplified forms will win out in the end? (More likely he prefers to reuse his established primitives.) :-)

[edits - heh I need a proofreader too...]

Last edited by Thora (2010 July 10, 7:18 am)

Actually there are a lot of kanji that revtk doesn't support (granted they're pretty uncommon).

There are only JIS1&2 kanji (same as kanjidic), so that is roughly 6000 characters.

Wow, that's great to know that we can customly add those additional kanji.
But there's no way to edit keywords for RTK kanji, is there?

Will we need a system-side update to get those five new updated keywords from the supplement?

Edit: I must have misunderstood.  I don't seem to be able to add the non-RTK kanji to my cardlist on RevTK.  I get a "Cannot add non-Heisig character" when trying to add it with the Custom Selection.  Hopefully we can get an update on this, too.

Last edited by hakutan (2010 July 07, 8:52 pm)

Katsuo wrote:

Keywords for the following have changed: 2190, 2437, 2716, 2736,  2858

I just noticed that the keyword for 2148 has also changed (from "flexed" to "hooked").

out of interest, how many kanji are there in total on "reviewing the kanji" website? sometimes when I am on a Japanese page I will copy a character and paste it into "study" section of website, then I will come to a page which says "Unicode" and then several numbers. Are there several thousand of these characters on the website?

3007 have Heisig's English keywords. I recall Jarvik7 saying that the remainder of JIS1 and JIS2 (6000+) are available on the RTK site under their respective unicode numbers.

I just took a look at the RTK study page and it seems like the JIS1-JIS4 kanji are available (at least based on a handful of JIS4 kanji I checked). I guess I misremember what J7 had said.

While the non-RTK kanji are listed on this site by their unicode codes (an alternative to JIS encoding), availability is probably limited to those JIS1-JIS4 sets. (ie. a few non-JIS chinese characters I entered weren't available.) (Probably stating the obvious here, but I wanted to point that out b/c there are ~70,000 unicode chinese characters.) :-)

JIS=Japanese Industrial Standards.  JIS encoding is one type of encoding method used by computers to go from code number to actual character.  Different versions of JIS encoding standards over the years have included different sets of kanji (JIS1-JIS4):

JIS encoding '90(revised '97):  6355 kanji
      JIS1: 2965 (most common)
      JIS2: 3390

JIS encoding '00(revised '04):  10,050 kanji
      JIS1
      JIS2
      JIS3: 1249
      JIS4: 3625

Wikipedia has info on JIS kanji stuff if you're curious. Some numbers might be slightly off. If the results of my little experiment led us astray, hopefully Fabrice (or anyone) will let us know. :-)

Thora wrote:

I just took a look at the RTK study page and it seems like the JIS1-JIS4 kanji are available (at least based on a handful of JIS4 kanji I checked). I guess I misremember what J7 had said.

While the non-RTK kanji are listed on this site by their unicode codes (an alternative to JIS encoding), availability is probably limited to those JIS1-JIS4 sets. (ie. a few non-JIS chinese characters I entered weren't available.) (Probably stating the obvious here, but I wanted to point that out b/c there are ~70,000 unicode chinese characters.) :-)

JIS=Japanese Industrial Standards.  JIS encoding is one type of encoding method used by computers to go from code number to actual character.  Different versions of JIS encoding standards over the years have included different sets of kanji (JIS1-JIS4):

JIS encoding '90(revised '97):  6355 kanji
      JIS1: 2965 (most common)
      JIS2: 3390

JIS encoding '00(revised '04):  10,050 kanji
      JIS1
      JIS2
      JIS3: 1249
      JIS4: 3625

Wikipedia has info on JIS kanji stuff if you're curious. Some numbers might be slightly off. If the results of my little experiment led us astray, hopefully Fabrice (or anyone) will let us know. :-)

Hmm, when I was adding some kyuujitai and itaiji (some of which are jis3/4) a few weeks ago I ran into quite a few that threw up an error or just directed me to the page for the shinjitai. I had to find the JIS code and convert it to decimal manually to come up with a frame number for my anki deck.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2010 July 10, 4:21 am)