Studying medicine in Japan

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Reply #1 - 2012 June 15, 11:33 am
Tori-kun このやろう
Registered: 2010-08-27 Posts: 1193 Website

Just curious. Possible with an Abitur? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abitur

Have no JLPT certification. Not afraid of medical kanji hell big_smile

Reply #2 - 2012 June 15, 11:54 am
dizmox Member
Registered: 2007-08-11 Posts: 1149

If you can pay for it and pass the entrance exams I don't see why not...

Reply #3 - 2012 June 15, 12:48 pm
vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

I don't understand how the Arbitur applies to Japan. No university in Japan is going to accept an Arbitur.

You will HAVE to take the entrance exams just like all Japanese students. Apparently the medical faculties are difficult to get into in Japan, but that comes as no surprise to me. The thing that actually has me curious and I didn't google enough to see if its true, is whether or not there is a glass ceiling in hiring foreign doctors in Japan. There is a shortage of doctors in Japan so I don't know.

The importance of Japanese skill can't be pushed enough though. To iterate this point: http://www.iime.org/database/pacific/japan.htm
I recommend looking at the pages for some Med school faculties listed on that directory. Many have English pages, but none of the ones I picked I looked at listed ANY information about Admissions in English. All of the information is in Japanese.

I don't know what your end goals are in doing med school in Japan but if it isn't "to become a doctor in Japan" then I would question why Japan?

Nothing short of N1 plus lots of studying and understanding of science and math terms in Japanese (plus solving them), is going to cut it for the entrance exam.

EDIT: As to the pay point that dimoz brought up. If you are attending a Nat'l uni then the cost is minimal. ~500000-700000yen a year. I wouldn't fret over cost though until you even think you can pass the entrance exam.

EDIT 2: If this is actually a serious endeavor of yours I would consider getting a study guide/copy of past year exams for some schools. Amazon lists some. This will give you an idea of the height of the wall you need to scale.

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Reply #4 - 2012 June 15, 7:17 pm
dizmox Member
Registered: 2007-08-11 Posts: 1149

vix86 wrote:

I don't know what your end goals are in doing med school in Japan but if it isn't "to become a doctor in Japan" then I would question why Japan?

This begs mentioning the additional point that without Japanese citizenship, finding a position as a junior doctor in Japan would likely be extremely difficult or impossible. In the UK for example, non-EU citizens are barred from training positions. If you came back to (I assume) Germany you'd at least have to do the medical exams all over again and I'm guessing even then it could be a problem having studied somewhere completely alien.

Last edited by dizmox (2012 June 15, 7:25 pm)

Reply #5 - 2012 June 15, 8:20 pm
kitakitsune Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-10-19 Posts: 1006

Lets be real

Unless your Japanese language skills are better than the average native born college educated Japanese person, you have no chance of going to medical school or becoming a doctor in Japan.

Reply #6 - 2012 June 15, 9:04 pm
vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

dizmox wrote:

finding a position as a junior doctor in Japan would likely be extremely difficult or impossible.

I must have edited it out in my sleep filled haze last night. But I wouldn't be surprised if there is a meter thick glass ceiling blocking any foreigner from becoming a doctor in Japan.

I hate to rain on someone's parade/dreams, but this is kind of feat sits well within the realm of the impossible for 99.99% of people. Ignoring simple language barriers, which kitakitsune stated correctly I think, I just have a hard time believing that somewhat-foreigner-cautious Japan would even consider hiring a foreign looking, Japan trained doctor. That's assuming you can even get a med school in Japan to let you in.

Reply #7 - 2012 June 16, 12:01 am
slivir Member
From: Japan Registered: 2009-01-26 Posts: 84

Perhaps you could set your sights on nursing instead? For that there is a huge demand for trained foreigners. You have to know the language of course but you don't have to have native-like fluency.

Last edited by slivir (2012 June 16, 12:02 am)

Reply #8 - 2012 June 16, 12:48 am
vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

slivir wrote:

Perhaps you could set your sights on nursing instead? For that there is a huge demand for trained foreigners. You have to know the language of course but you don't have to have native-like fluency.

This is true, but I would research it THOROUGHLY before committing to it. The majority of foreign nurses trying to come into Japan are from the Philippines. I have no evidence to back this up save for how (SE Asian) foreigners in Japan tend to be treated; but you might be looking at quite sub-sub-standard pay compared to Japanese nurses and not even hold legit full time status. IE: You are on a constant 1 to 3 year renewal contract, meaning you have to worry from year to year whether or not they'll just tell you out of the blue, "Tough luck, we aren't renewing your contract, bye."

Reply #9 - 2012 June 16, 1:01 am
kitakitsune Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-10-19 Posts: 1006

Even the foreign nurses have to get Japanese certifications after two (or three? )years in order to continue working and I think the current pass rate for those exams is under 1%...it's basically a racket to get ever rotating 2-3 years of near free labor.

Last edited by kitakitsune (2012 June 16, 1:03 am)

Reply #10 - 2012 June 16, 3:51 am
Tori-kun このやろう
Registered: 2010-08-27 Posts: 1193 Website

Thanks for your replies. Just wanted to get a bit of info concerning what studying medicine in Japan is like.. seems like it's impossible to me, even looking at the fees paid annually. In Germany you can study for free o.o

Reply #11 - 2012 June 16, 4:15 pm
dizmox Member
Registered: 2007-08-11 Posts: 1149

Today I asked an experienced doctor from Japan about it. She said she's never seen or heard about a single foreign doctor there.

Reply #12 - 2012 June 16, 4:51 pm
yowamushi Member
From: Germany Registered: 2011-06-10 Posts: 32

Dedication in "The Modern Reader's Japanese-English Character Dictionary" by Andrew N. Nelson:

To my son Richard Andrew Nelson, M.D.
who as a busy surgeon and against great odds
passed the Japanese National Medical Examinations
given both in oral and written Japanese
thus demonstrating that an American
can master the language

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