How can I correct ingrained errors in spoken Spanish?

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Reply #1 - 2012 May 15, 5:19 pm
Sean2 Member
From: California Registered: 2010-10-17 Posts: 33

Anybody had success in correcting a mistake they make just about every time.    Things like remembering the damn "a" after asistir or that it's always "más de"  when you are talking about quantities.  I would think it would work the same way across languages although I could be wrong.  I know the rules.  I always remember in writing.  But, when speaking sometimes my circuits overload.  There are so many pesky rules to apply.

Reply #2 - 2012 May 15, 5:26 pm
Marble101 Member
From: New Jersey USA Registered: 2011-09-05 Posts: 112

I'm learning Spanish too and this is something I've recently come across [at least adding a after some verbs but not others]. But I don't like using grammar rules too much; I learn from example. So rather than learn the verb asistir, I would rememebr it as "asistir a" as one verb in my mind. This way, I know I won't forget it. Like learn the phrase "ma's que" as one phrase in its entirety.

As for correcting ingrained errors, just remember to practice [correctly!] and they'll go away with time.

Reply #3 - 2012 May 15, 5:44 pm
Sean2 Member
From: California Registered: 2010-10-17 Posts: 33

Thanks.  I'm trying.  I thought I had "más de"  (more than followed by a quantity) like "más de 100 pesos" and "mas que" as a comparison like "más que yo" down, but I made the mistake today and it bugs me.  In English it's the same "more than."  I need some memory tricks or something.

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Reply #4 - 2012 May 16, 12:05 am
Zgarbas Watchman
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2011-10-09 Posts: 1210 Website

Don't worry about it much smile. As long as you realize the mistake it's all good and you'll stop making it in time. Just try to correct yourself if you spot it in time in order to prevent bad habits.

But yes, phrasal verbs and expressions are best learned together. And even then, you sometimes find yourself using the wrong one in speech since you don't over-analyze everything before it comes out.

(maybe try to remember them as part of a bigger context? As in, instead of thinking of mas de and mas que, think of it as mas de eso & mas que yo to keep the use in mind. Also, "asistir a" is not that different from "assist with" in English. )

Reply #5 - 2012 May 16, 12:26 am
nadiatims Member
Registered: 2008-01-10 Posts: 1676

in theory, if your amount of correct input (ie. from natives) exceeds incorrect input (ie. from other learners, your own speech, or from sympathetic natives adjusting their speech to suit your level), you should start to absorb the correct patterns.

I think it would be very hard to correct ingrained mistakes without a lot of constant exposure to the correct patterns.

Reply #6 - 2012 May 16, 12:52 am
Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

I don't think simply absorbing from correct input is the right way to look at it.  If you want to fix a mistake quickly the fastest way is to be aware of it intellectually and actively take steps to solve the problem.

That's certainly true with learning an instrument, which is really very similar to learning a language.  You can be aware of making a mistake, but if you don't take active steps to fight againt it it will take a very long time to be rid of the mistake.

(For example, I recently noticed that when I play Wonderwall on guitar [sorry, I know it's a cheezy song], I make a mistake when I strum the chorus in an DdDduuududu pattern.  The capital Ds are emphasized strums.  However, I play DdDduUududu by mistake, and screw up the rhythm by playing the up-stroke on the beat and emphasizing it.  It should be off the beat and not emphasized.  Never noticed it because I always just played the song by myself until recently.  Anyway, even though I noticed it I kept playing it wrong for a while against my will, until I practiced deliberately with a metronome a bunch of times.)

Personally, when I hear myself making a similar mistake over and over again I find that practicing saying the phrase or grammar correctly many times helps (for example, coming up with sentences that use the grammar and repeating them to myself at home).  And whenever I notice myself making the mistake I make note of it mentally and then run through the sentence in my head again but correctly--or outloud if it's appropriate in the situation.

Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 May 16, 1:02 am)

Reply #7 - 2012 May 16, 1:40 am
nadiatims Member
Registered: 2008-01-10 Posts: 1676

you may be right about doing a bit of practicing after becoming intellectually aware of the mistake.

I think the becoming aware part tends to come as your exposure and level of comprehension increases though.

Reply #8 - 2012 June 09, 3:19 pm
snapfish New member
Registered: 2012-06-09 Posts: 1

Answer: cloze deletion flashcards using examples of both más...de and más...que (so your brain can learn the difference).

http://ankisrs.net/docs/ClozeDeletion.html

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