cokabear
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From: united states
Registered: 2012-04-23
Posts: 2
There are about 4-5 kanji in rtk1 that I just can't remember. I was thinking about just skipping them? I'm about half way through rtk1. I was just wondering because rtk1 seems to be like a building block for the others and, if i skip kanji will i be lost if i go to 2 or 3?
Shock222
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From: singapore
Registered: 2012-02-11
Posts: 11
I skip quite a number of kanjis as well, usually those that i feel i will hardly be using them. I am at 1020 now, and my guess is i skipped about 50. Some comes back much later as a primitive such as frame 360 (Overgrown), appearing in frame 850,851 (Storehouse and entrails).
There are also quite a few with complicated meanings in english that i have never even heard of, coupled with hard to remember kanjis. I skipped them as well. My guess is, if i know 95% of the 3000 most commonly used kanjis, the 5% shouldnt make much difference, and we can look up on it anytime.
And also,I doubt even many japanese students know 95% of the 3000 kanjis.
Last edited by Shock222 (2012 May 15, 8:54 am)
frony0
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From: London United Kingdom
Registered: 2011-12-10
Posts: 257
I wouldn't say it matters that much at all, so long as you're not skipping key primitives. Having said that, I often find that I end up remembering the cards that I can't remember the best (if you can get your head around that concept) due to the fact that because I can't remember them, they stand out to me while administrating my deck, and I end up remembering them because I can't remember them. Basically if I were you I wouldn't just "drop" the kanji, because you'll probably just end up remembering them anyway, but it doesn't really matter.
Woodgar
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From: England
Registered: 2012-01-30
Posts: 33
Just my own take on this, but I tend not to overly concern myself with words I've never come across in English, and that I can't conceive of myself ever using.
And then there are all those trees. Even if I had a tree growing in my back garden I'd be hard pushed to tell you what sort it was, so I tend to skip a lot of these as well. I'm hoping/expecting that I'll better remember them when I come across them in context rather than isolation.
frony0 wrote:
I often find that I end up remembering the cards that I can't remember the best (if you can get your head around that concept) due to the fact that because I can't remember them, they stand out to me while administrating my deck, and I end up remembering them because I can't remember them.
I can totally relate to this. The ones that initially gave me loads of problems, end up being the ones I probably know the best.
Nukemarine
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From: 神奈川
Registered: 2007-07-15
Posts: 2347
Out of interest, what part are you not remembering? Depending on the issue, there are simple solutions available.
If it's writing out the wrong kanji, edit the keyword to have the "(not XX)". If the keyword is not enough, add more clues or descriptions of the meaning. Going further, you can display the primitive words or the story itself.
Basically, it's not a problem to skip the word, but you don't have to either. In the long run, these are here to help you learn words later on.
RawrPk
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From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: 2011-12-17
Posts: 148
Here are some posts from Japanese level up website about skipping certain kanji. He lists certain kanji in RTK he feels are "useless". I have never done this myself though. I'm slowly working through RTK via sample PDF until I can get my hands on the real deal
http://japaneselevelup.com/2011/08/03/f … aws-1-500/
For those who have finished RTK, is this list of kanji the writer tells ppl to delete really "useless"? This has peaked my interest :O
Last edited by RawrPk (2012 May 15, 8:45 pm)
rahsoul
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Registered: 2012-02-29
Posts: 63
I used that deck actually, on my first (and only) run through of RtK. His deck is pretty neat as it includes quite a bit of vocab which made it a little more interesting (like 猫 is "ねこ”).
However, I found that for RtK 1 there are too many useful radicals missing. So while a particular kanji might be "useless", it gets used often enough as a radical to be annoying (for me) when it keeps popping up in other kanji and you can't remember what it is.
So, I just ended adding the cards back in as I went along (not too much trouble), and I did appreciate the vocab, though that reduces efficiency but added a layer of fun for me. I used his list for RtK 3, which is aggressive and drops like 800 kanji, which was nice as I didn't really want to do the entire thing.
Honestly, (IMO) if you're interested in the light vocab learning, then it's nice, but other than that I find it makes things more difficult to learn unless you're going to add back in the cards, which kind of defeats the main purpose.
