Alec_xvi
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From: Nayoro
Registered: 2010-12-27
Posts: 55
Hey all,
I am about to complete the Core 6k deck made by nukemarine, and I am wondering if the number of vocab available in the deck is enough to pass JLPT N1.
I already have N2, I have finished Heisig RTK 1, and I have not bothered with Core 2K as I am assuming it will be too easy for me (please correct me if I am wrong).
Anyhow, if Core 6k is not enough vocab for N1, I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions as to what to study next.
Suggestions? Thoughts?
vix86
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From: Tokyo
Registered: 2010-01-19
Posts: 1469
No, theres a thread floating around that I'll have to dig around for where people ran various decks against "rough lists" for the N1. There really isn't an official list for the N1 test, only rough guesses.
I believe Core6k got you to about 60-70% of the N1 list. I distinctly remember it being mentioned that Core6k + Extra cards in Core10k + Kanji in Context words got you to about 90% which is pretty good.
Last edited by vix86 (2012 April 12, 1:31 am)
Nukemarine
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From: 神奈川
Registered: 2007-07-15
Posts: 2347
Well, assuming the tags are correct, there are 560 words at N5, another 500 at N4. There are 2700 words that cover N3 and N2. That leaves about 2300 words that are at the N1 level.
Now, whether this is enough to pass N1 depends on your viewpoint. My opinion is, one is not just studying these vocabulary lists while learning. You're reading manga, books, websites in addition to listening to songs and webcasts not to mention all the television you'll be watching. If you're doing this, I don't think you'll get a benefit from studying 8,000 words of which only a small percent will appear on any particular test.
Of those 8,000 words, many you'll have knowledge at first sight even without studying them just because kanji gives the answer away most of the time (annoying at the times it does not). On top of that, you get context to help further.
In the end, it might be enough to pass the N1, but it won't be enough to excel at the N1.
vix86
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From: Tokyo
Registered: 2010-01-19
Posts: 1469
I'm going to start doing this soon, but the biggest problem is that premade decks are easier to review with vs inputting it yourself. Also Core's sentences are great because they are small. As an example, I'm reading through 俺妹 right now and mining the book where I run into words I don't know.
「あの堅物の極道ヅラが、アニメ観て喜んでいる光景なんざ考えたくねえ。」 this for example is a bit longer than most Core cards, but it also generates 3 cards for me too. I have cut some cards from sentences down to small phrasal chunks to make reviewing easier, but it loses context as a result (in some cases).
Also depending on what you are reading, you get a lot of colloquial speak patterns in potential sentences.
EX: 「誰の仕業か知らねえが、俺を陥れるための罠だったんじゃなからろうな。」
Thirdly, you have translations already provided so you aren't left wondering if your interpretation if correct or missing a nuance. Of course that doesn't mean the premade deck's trans are any better, but the assumption is they are.
The solution I had considered to all this was mining the words from the books and then looking up on ALC for example sentences, but they too have a tendency for absurdly long sentences.
I want to keep my cards bite sized so I can do 200-300 reviews in an hour like I do right now.
jettyke
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From: 九州
Registered: 2008-04-07
Posts: 1194
No no no.
First of all, already to pass N2, you need lots of extensive reading and need to be fast at reading and understanding written Japanese. You need to read A Lot.
Core might help you to learn how to read, but basically no, it is nowhere near enough by itself.
I think that educative material in jap is pretty good for N1, not that I know a lot about it...
Last edited by jettyke (2012 April 12, 11:06 am)