Kadokawa signs on with Amazon Kindle in Japan

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Reply #1 - 2012 April 07, 7:01 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

Link:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 … e-in-japan

I don't know how i missed this news last month.

"In Japan, major publishers have been slow to make the transition to digital. But now, one of the biggest players has finally opening the floodgates.

Japanese publisher Kadokawa Shoten is  familiar to manga, anime fans, and game fans as the source of many of the novels (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya to name one), manga (Evangelion) and even video games (Steins;Gate) that have dominated the otaku marketplace.

Now of the publishing companies under the umbrella of the Kadokawa Group (Kadokawa Shoten, Ascii Media Works, Enterbrain, Kadokawa Gakugei Shupan, Fujiimi Shoubo, Media Factory, etc) have entered into an agreement with Amazon Japan.

By the agreement, the contents of the publishers will be offered and sold digitally on Amazon's kindle service, across all platforms, including PC and smartphone. Amazon Japan will be in charge of the pricing.

Both companies have been in negotiations for a year. This is the first large publisher to sign on with Amazon Japan.

Now…Let the digitization…begin!"

Reply #2 - 2012 April 08, 6:11 am
Splatted Member
From: England Registered: 2010-10-02 Posts: 776

I'm really excited about this. It'll be great to finally have access to Japanese books at a reasonable price. I really hope they update the software to support vertical text though, and a Japanese dictionary would be nice as well.

TheVinster Member
From: Illinois Registered: 2009-07-15 Posts: 985

So can we expect the U.S. Kindle's store to offer Japanese books? I didn't actually read the article, just what you wrote, so I'm not sure if it says. I'll definitely be in the market to purchase a Kindle if we can look forward to having this cross-compatibility.

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Reply #4 - 2012 April 08, 2:18 pm
Bokusenou Member
From: America Registered: 2007-01-12 Posts: 820 Website

Yes, this is great news!

TheVinster wrote:

So can we expect the U.S. Kindle's store to offer Japanese books? I didn't actually read the article, just what you wrote, so I'm not sure if it says. I'll definitely be in the market to purchase a Kindle if we can look forward to having this cross-compatibility.

I hope so...I went to the German Kindle store, and copy & pasted a random book title into the US Kindle store search, and not only did it find it, but I could buy it there too. I haven't tried it with the French Kindle store, and it might not work with all books, but I'm hoping it will. By the way, I just noticed this section at Amazon.com. It seems to have mostly translations of books in English, but it's bigger than I thought they would have. Has anyone tried it out yet?

EDIT: Ah, never mind. The Kindle links there lead to the English versions, except in this section, which mainly has books about horse racing.T-T

Last edited by Bokusenou (2012 April 08, 2:29 pm)

Reply #5 - 2012 April 08, 4:15 pm
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up about this.

Reply #6 - 2012 April 08, 6:22 pm
ta12121 Member
From: Canada Registered: 2009-06-02 Posts: 3190

Splatted wrote:

I'm really excited about this. It'll be great to finally have access to Japanese books at a reasonable price. I really hope they update the software to support vertical text though, and a Japanese dictionary would be nice as well.

I second that!

Reply #7 - 2012 April 08, 8:57 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

Even if Amazon Japan launched only with Kadokawa, I'd be happy.
At least you'd be able to download Japanese novels to a Kindle.

Even if the other major publishers don't jump on, I'll take
whatever I can get in the Kindle store.

Last edited by chamcham (2012 April 08, 9:18 pm)

Reply #8 - 2012 April 08, 9:35 pm
ta12121 Member
From: Canada Registered: 2009-06-02 Posts: 3190

chamcham wrote:

Even if Amazon Japan launched only with Kadokawa, I'd be happy.
At least you'd be able to download Japanese novels to a Kindle.

Even if the other major publishers don't jump on, I'll take
whatever I can get in the Kindle store.

Looks like taking your advice and waiting is proving to be the right direction. I'd rather get an e-reader and be able to read J-books off of kindle. Then again, if it has reading/dictionary look-ups. I have no doubt we would get it the first day if comes out haha.

rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Well, I'm sure it will work well in Japan, but I doubt you'll be able to get any books outside of Japan, for whatever reason they eventually come up with. That's been my experience so far with both the Kindle and Google's Bookstore. As soon as I left the US, both stopped working for all intents and purposes. Very frustrating.

Now that I'm back in the US, every now and then I search both for books on or in Japanese... and the results are always discouraging. There aren't even many decent English language books on Japanese, let alone actual books in Japanese published after World War II. (I have found a few pre-WWII books, but they're harder to read because they don't use 常用漢字.) The best luck I had with those was with Google's store. (They were free because they were off copyright.)

For whatever reason, many IP holders (not all, but a discouragingly large enough percentage) don't want to make their properties readily available outside of their own borders. Probably trying to squeeze that last nickel out of someone, somewhere, but it sucks for me, and that's all *I* care about. Shipping is expensive, and books take up a lot of space. tongue

Reply #10 - 2012 April 08, 11:09 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

Yeah, it really is better to wait now.
I'll probably try to get whatever Amazon comes out with.

But my intuition says that the $100 Kobo e-reader that
Rakuten wants to create will be what'll take the Japanese
market by storm.

Especially since Rakuten is considered the Amazon of Japan
and Japanese people prefer Japanese companies.

Reply #11 - 2012 April 09, 1:21 am
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

rich_f wrote:

Well, I'm sure it will work well in Japan, but I doubt you'll be able to get any books outside of Japan, for whatever reason they eventually come up with. That's been my experience so far with both the Kindle and Google's Bookstore. As soon as I left the US, both stopped working for all intents and purposes. Very frustrating.

Now that I'm back in the US, every now and then I search both for books on or in Japanese... and the results are always discouraging. There aren't even many decent English language books on Japanese, let alone actual books in Japanese published after World War II. (I have found a few pre-WWII books, but they're harder to read because they don't use 常用漢字.) The best luck I had with those was with Google's store. (They were free because they were off copyright.)

For whatever reason, many IP holders (not all, but a discouragingly large enough percentage) don't want to make their properties readily available outside of their own borders. Probably trying to squeeze that last nickel out of someone, somewhere, but it sucks for me, and that's all *I* care about. Shipping is expensive, and books take up a lot of space. tongue

I highly doubt Japanese publishers will allow their books in the US Kindle store.
Although, I'd love to see it happen.

Reply #12 - 2012 April 09, 2:13 am
thisiskyle Member
From: Kofu-cho Japan Registered: 2011-01-09 Posts: 32

I don't know too much about this kind of stuff, but couldn't you just get the books from the Japan Kindle Store? Worst case, it seems you could use a proxy, download the books to your computer and transfer them to your Kindle via USB. I've never had any problems getting books from the US Store to my Kindle in Japan.

Reply #13 - 2012 April 09, 12:02 pm
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

I can never get anyone to recommend a good proxy for JP. (And you will most likely need a proxy in the best case scenario... worst case scenario is a requirement of a JP Credit Card.)

Meanwhile, Googling for a proxy company is really hit-and-miss. Free proxies... well, you get what you pay for.

There might be really good proxy service providers out there, but it's hard to tell who's good, and who's going to rip you off. For every proxy service provider I find, I find someone complaining about how they throttle your bandwidth, or overcharge, or just don't respond to customers.

Ah, I wish I could use a Linode for this... but I think it would violate the ToS.

I should fork this off into another thread, maybe?

Reply #14 - 2012 April 09, 12:26 pm
Blahah Member
From: Cambridge, UK Registered: 2008-07-15 Posts: 715 Website

@rich_f I have a Witopia VPN which lets me switch nodes between a list of about 30 cities worldwide. I mostly use it for security, plus listening to Pandora and watching Hulu from the UK, but I've also used the Tokyo node for a variety of things, and it works perfectly and reliably. I'm connected to the VPN 24/7 and it's only dropped momentarily about 4 times in 6 months. I highly recommend them, not very cheap but as you say you get what you pay for.

As for international Kindle store access, I regularly switch my kindle account between different countries. I set the address to a McDonalds address from that country, and have never had any problems then downloading books.

Last edited by Blahah (2012 April 09, 1:03 pm)

Reply #15 - 2012 April 09, 1:51 pm
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Thanks for the info, Blahah.

It's hard to gauge just how good these services are, unless I hear from real people who use the services.

The reviews on the review sites always leave me scratching my head-- are the bad reviews all from people who are cranks, or are these companies really that bad? And are the good ones from robots who are spamming for the companies? XD

Reply #16 - 2012 April 09, 2:23 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

Or maybe Blahah is one of those spambots....lol....j/k........

Reply #17 - 2012 April 09, 4:40 pm
Fillanzea Member
From: New York, NY Registered: 2009-10-02 Posts: 534 Website

iTunes is pretty strict that you have to have a Japanese credit card, but it's still possible to buy gift cards on JList and buy music from the Japanese iTunes store that way. So I'm thinking, even if the Amazon Kindle store is that locked down, there should be some way to work around it. (I hope. We'll see.)

Reply #18 - 2012 April 09, 5:31 pm
SomeCallMeChris Member
From: Massachusetts USA Registered: 2011-08-01 Posts: 787

I'm sure there will be a way to work around it, but if they are strict enough you may need to have all of a mailing address in Japan, a Japanese credit card, and a Japanese IP address. It's not that you can't buy mailing services, proxy server services, and whatever else... it's just an expense and a hassle.

I'll probably keep buying physical books from kinokuniya for the forseeable future unless the kindle works without a lot of jumping through hoops and extra costs.

Last edited by SomeCallMeChris (2012 April 09, 5:31 pm)

Reply #19 - 2012 April 09, 7:56 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

SomeCallMeChris wrote:

I'm sure there will be a way to work around it, but if they are strict enough you may need to have all of a mailing address in Japan, a Japanese credit card, and a Japanese IP address. It's not that you can't buy mailing services, proxy server services, and whatever else... it's just an expense and a hassle.

I'll probably keep buying physical books from kinokuniya for the forseeable future unless the kindle works without a lot of jumping through hoops and extra costs.

Japanese companies are VERY wary of foreign credit cards.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese credit cards are required.

I really hope Amazon does the Kindle justice in Japan.

Reply #20 - 2012 April 09, 10:37 pm
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Hmm... I wonder... I never saw them when I was in Japan, but do they have pre-paid credit cards in Japan like they do in the US yet? You can buy them in stores in the US with a pre-set balance on them, and once you get one, you can refill them online. (I got one as a rebate card.) They're essentially low-balance debit cards, I guess.

I kind of doubt that they'd have them in Japan already, though-- Japan is pretty conservative when it comes to those sorts of things. But if they existed, it would make circumventing all of that stuff much easier. (So much BS involved. Ugh.)

Ah, one other thing-- I found out that Linode doesn't have an issue with using your Linode as a VPN server or as a proxy, so long as you don't do illegal stuff with it or otherwise cause a nuisance. And as they have a Tokyo datacenter, I could set one up for myself and move all of my crap off of DreamHost for about the same price. Hmm. I wouldn't use it as a VPN 24/7 anyway, just every now and then. (like accessing the JP Google Play, etc.) So it's pretty tempting.

Reply #21 - 2012 April 09, 11:06 pm
kitakitsune Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-10-19 Posts: 1006

I use my American CC on Amazon Japan all the time.

Reply #22 - 2012 April 10, 1:58 am
Shakunatz Member
From: 東京 Registered: 2009-08-18 Posts: 97

rich_f wrote:

Hmm... I wonder... I never saw them when I was in Japan, but do they have pre-paid credit cards in Japan like they do in the US yet? You can buy them in stores in the US with a pre-set balance on them, and once you get one, you can refill them online. (I got one as a rebate card.) They're essentially low-balance debit cards, I guess.

My understanding of Japanese banking system may be wrong, but it seems the concept of debit card/prepaid debit card is something alien here. Last week I applied for a *real shining Japanese* credit card at the post office (ゆうちょ銀行) but they refused my apply as I have a too low income. Last time I tried to use my stupid gaijin mastercard (at ヨドバシカメラ) I was made to wait for 20 minutes because they had to verify stuff and god know what else. At least Amazon.co.jp works well with my gaijin credit card.

chamcham wrote:

I really hope Amazon does the Kindle justice in Japan.

You're not the only one D;

Reply #23 - 2012 April 10, 2:07 am
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Yeah, my gaijin credit card works with amazon.co.jp and a lot of other places in Japan as well... but randomly it didn't work at a few places. Who knows why.

I was just wondering if the lock out would be as complete as the iTunes lock out or not, and if so, would there be a way around it worth bothering with. (That is, would it just be an Internet address thing, a physical address thing as well, or would they go so far as a "Do you have a JP CC?" thing.)

Shipping eats into 1/3 of my costs for books from Japan, and that's when I use SAL. Oof. I love having a physical copy, but if I can have a Kindle copy for cheaper than retail, immediately on my tablet, *and* no crippling trans-Pacific shipping fees, I'm willing to look into ways around any roadblocks in my way.

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Reply #24 - 2012 April 10, 11:53 am
ta12121 Member
From: Canada Registered: 2009-06-02 Posts: 3190

rich_f wrote:

Yeah, my gaijin credit card works with amazon.co.jp and a lot of other places in Japan as well... but randomly it didn't work at a few places. Who knows why.

I was just wondering if the lock out would be as complete as the iTunes lock out or not, and if so, would there be a way around it worth bothering with. (That is, would it just be an Internet address thing, a physical address thing as well, or would they go so far as a "Do you have a JP CC?" thing.)

Shipping eats into 1/3 of my costs for books from Japan, and that's when I use SAL. Oof. I love having a physical copy, but if I can have a Kindle copy for cheaper than retail, immediately on my tablet, *and* no crippling trans-Pacific shipping fees, I'm willing to look into ways around any roadblocks in my way.

When you guys say "Gaijin credit card" are you referring to your credit cards from your home country. I.e. if you live in the U.S., would it work with amazon.jp? I live in Canada, so I'm not sure if my credit would work. I could just get an international credit card and buy stuff from amazon.jp. Then again, the shipping would be deadly (anyway around this?)

Reply #25 - 2012 April 10, 12:21 pm
SomeCallMeChris Member
From: Massachusetts USA Registered: 2011-08-01 Posts: 787

ta12121 wrote:

Then again, the shipping would be deadly (anyway around this?)

I buy from kinokuniya $100 at a time (not hard if you're reading manga series or light novel series, just get a bunch of volumes at once.) I don't pay any 'shipping' as such (from the U.S. store to my home) but there's some markup involved that presumably includes shipping the books to the U.S. stores, but of course wholesale freight shipping costs are nothing like retail delivery costs.

... erm, having just looked, I realize that free shipping is limited to the 48 states, and you may be subject to customs duties and inspections, etc., etc., so that may not work for someone in Canada unless you can see the U.S. border from your backyard. Still may be worth comparing. $20 shipping on a $100+ order may work out slightly better for you than amazon's lower base price and higher shipping.