Japan's Obayashi Corp. announces a Space Elevator

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vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469
turvy Banned
From: Japan Registered: 2012-01-27 Posts: 430

Awesome but a 7 and 1/2 days trip?. Geez.

Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

turvy wrote:

Awesome but a 7 and 1/2 days trip?. Geez.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

It has already begun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 February 22, 4:35 am)

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turvy Banned
From: Japan Registered: 2012-01-27 Posts: 430

… then just to be consistent you should be grateful for every single technological invention; I can cook hot meals, wow, scream.

He's funny but the argument doesn't convince me to stop looking for stuff I don't like about whatever stuff crosses my pov.

Last edited by turvy (2012 February 22, 5:34 am)

Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

Come on, you just complained that going into space on an f'in elevator would take too long...

You should admit in retrospect that what you said was idiotic.

Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 February 22, 5:58 am)

turvy Banned
From: Japan Registered: 2012-01-27 Posts: 430

Nah, I still think is a hell of a long ride, 200 km/h is slow and they don't describe the situation of the cabin. In what sort of installation are you going to spend those 7 days? I think this is not even for all public.

My point is not idiotic, what you are comparing it against is though "…but I'm American…".  Lol.

eubankp Member
From: Charleston Registered: 2011-02-22 Posts: 30

It's simple, people;
Step 1: Spend billions building a slow elevator to space
Step 2: Profit

see?

Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

I'm not saying a seven day ride wouldn't be rather uncomfortable.

But basically they're talking about possibly making a new amazing technology that is advanced enough that they're projecting it being possible to finish only after 38 years, and the first thing you did was complain about it.  So you're EXACTLY the type of person that Louis CK is talking about in the video I posted.

You can be that guy if you want to, that's up to you.  But I personally don't want to be that guy.

IceCream Closed Account
Registered: 2009-05-08 Posts: 3124

perhaps this'll give some of you a better idea of what 36000km really means:
http://www.spudislunarresources.com/Images_Maps/Cislunar%20space.jpg

i wonder though, is this really possible?!?! aren't there meteors and satellites and human junk and all sorts littering space out there at that height to crash into it??

Also, it looks like it'd be so big it could tilt the earth's axis or something lol.

Even so, pretty damn amazing they're even considering it...!!! Including the counterweight, that's like, 1/4 of the way to the moon...!!!

Last edited by IceCream (2012 February 22, 7:35 am)

KanjiDevourer Member
From: Wherever I may roam Registered: 2010-02-23 Posts: 133

An even better idea of what 36 000 km is (approx. to scale):

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5606/clipboard01nq.png

Last edited by KanjiDevourer (2012 February 22, 7:45 am)

vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

Its not happening. Its just Obayashi pulling shit out their ass and trying to call it gold. Lets name a few reasons.

1) Materials. The materials for this simply don't exist yet. We are getting closer every few years to making the advances but we basically need to be able to spin out carbon nanotubes as a single piece kilometers in length....For Cheap! Even ignoring cost, we can't do it yet.

2) Location. A physicist can correct me on this, but Japan is the crappiest place to put a space elevator simply due to location and spin of the earth. A space elevator needs to be built at the equater.

3) Money. Assuming 1 and 2 weren't an issue, this one would be. Building the first space elevator is likely to cost something on the scale of building the Large Hadron Collider. This won't be like building the next biggest tower, it will require deep pockets. No company has this kind of cash to throw around, and in the looming economic crisis thats about to fall upon us, neither does any country.

4) Space junk. As IceCream said, theres a ton of space junk up there just waiting to punch a hole in your new fancy billion dollar cable. You can't move the cable to avoid this stuff either. I suspect someone has already thought up a few solutions for this problem, but it sits low on the list. Space junk is going to be an issue for all travel and no one is really interested in figuring out how to clean LEO up. There are some projects/ideas about deorbiting defunct satellites, but stuff like screwdrivers and bolts are the more dangerous objects in orbit.

5) Environmental fears. We haven't entered the era of nanotechnology paranoia but I'm sure by the time a space elevator becomes a likely possibility, it will be one. The common fear I hear with a carbon nanotube cable is that "What happens if it breaks and spread millions of nanotubes across the planet, will it cause cancer? Will we die?!" I rank this one low on the list but it'll likely be an issue.

Here's what I think is going on. Obayashi has just finished building their fancy new tower in Tokyo. Except they have realized a few things. 1) No one wants to move into the place because fear that it will fall over in the next big 8-9 earthquake. 2) They probably put themselves into a pretty big hole financially trying to build this thing and the problem of realty is starting to sink in. Therefore, they release a PR saying they will be building a space elevator in an attempt to garner more positive media attention and kick shares up a bit.

Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

Yeah, it's obviously a PR stunt at heart.

I mean, nothing that you plan 38 years in advance every happens.  They'll be lucky if they're still a company in 38 years.  Most companies bite the big one in less than that, even if they were once fairly big companies.

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