This guy = the man

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kitakitsune Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-10-19 Posts: 1006
lardycake Member
Registered: 2010-11-20 Posts: 174

Motivates me a bit in that I want to eventually learn Korean and Mandarin, but I won't get started on that within the next 5 years.

ta12121 Member
From: Canada Registered: 2009-06-02 Posts: 3190

lardycake wrote:

Motivates me a bit in that I want to eventually learn Korean and Mandarin, but I won't get started on that within the next 5 years.

Same here, I probably won't learn another language until after 5 years if learning Japanese. Well that's what I say but only time will tell.

11 languages? I'd be happy with 3-4 under my belt. I did notice that the languages he knows are similar to one another. So it does make it easier but it's an outstanding that he knows that many.

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Irixmark Member
From: 加奈陀 Registered: 2005-12-04 Posts: 291

His accent is amazing, too! This must be the best Spanish and French accents I've heard from any Englishman ever... smile

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

so what?

English,  German, Dutch, Afrikaans, are the same family (Germanic) and have similar vocabulary. I could learn these in a year.


French, , Catalan and Italian.Spanish Are the same family (romance) and have similar vocabulary. I could learn these in a year.


Greek,Russian and Hebrew are hard but what tests has he passed in these?

I am not impressed.

Last edited by HonyakuJoshua (2012 February 21, 1:22 pm)

wccrawford Member
From: FL US Registered: 2008-03-28 Posts: 1551

If you like this guy, you might also enjoy reading Benny The Irish Polyglot's blog called "Fluent in 3 Months".  The title is deliberately inflammatory, though.  He doesn't actually go for fluency, merely conversational ability.  In 3 months.

His current work is on Mandarin and he's halfway there and having (some) conversations with locals.

radical_tyro Member
Registered: 2005-11-19 Posts: 272

HonyakuJoshua wrote:

so what?
...
I am not impressed.

and how many / which do you know? anyway, the related article points it out:

"If the languages are English, French, Mandarin, Japanese, Hindi and Russian - that would be more significant from a learner's perspective than 11 Romance languages such as Italian, French and Spanish," he says.

but still,

According to author and linguistics expert Erard, there are not many hyperpolyglots like Gillon in the world. He has identified 11 languages as a significant watershed. Those who speak more than this are very rare.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17101370

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

I did French and Spanish to A Level standard in a year. I have a test where i got more than 100%. I then studied Arabic before focusing on Japanese. I got my degree WITHOUT SETTING FOOT IN JAPAN which the native teaching us called a miracle.

I excelled at taster language courses and have co-authored a vocabulary list. I was offered twice to do a PhD but turned it down. I am the first person in history to complete kanji gold. I am getting a book I translated published FOR FREE. I could go on but I won't bore you. I was near fluent in French and Spanish at 18.

As for Erard he is wrong if he says that. There are so many languages in India that a good many people MUST be multilingual to the same degree. The Caucus is known for having loads of languages - I'm sure people must speak more than eleven languages. In Africa there are loads of languages - Chad has more than 100(!) some interpreter in Chad must be as good as Alex Rawlings in at least 11 languages.


Besides, I seriously doubt if he is "fluent" in the 11 languages even if they are  separate languages. Afrikaans is very similar to dutch and everyone knows that the romance languages share a load of vocab and grammar.

Has he really passed a rigorous test?

kitakitsune Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-10-19 Posts: 1006

Haters gona hate

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

@Kikakitsune what kind of reply is that? I give valid arguments as to why I don't think his claim is that impressive and you say "haters gonna hate" which implies I am"hating" without arguments....

Mumei2501 Member
From: San Francisco US Registered: 2011-06-23 Posts: 10

As it says in the article, he won a competition.  There is no telling what google will come up with, but the point is he is badass at (spoken) languages.  This does not preclude others from being badass at languages, they just didn't win that competition (possibly one that emphasized pronunciation as opposed to just how many) and get a little BBC internet video.  There seems to be an undertone of vitriol that's a little confusing to me unless you were the runner up in the competition or something like that.

Edit: Didn't yet see the haters gonna hate statement.  You did mention the fact that the languages he learned are all in the same family, and then talked at length about how great the things you've achieved are.  Those are entirely unrelated unless, again, you are the runner up.  Of course I might also not be impressed if I was more than just barely bilingual, but there's still a hint of diatribe that doesn't seem warranted.  Sidenote: really enjoying busting out my high school vocab quiz words in this post for some reason ^.^;

The languages of India are an interesting example of language usage.  I forget the source unfortunately, but I recall someone discussing the concept of "bazaar" fluency or something like that.  In essence, there are too many languages used to learn all the ones around you to a high level.  Instead you'll find that many or most people are able to comfortably get by speaking functionally in many languages, but in a way that would not pass at an academic institute.  As I forget the source and a lot of the details I'll end there.  Regardless, props to the polyglots big_smile

Last edited by Mumei2501 (2012 February 21, 5:22 pm)

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

I just feel he doesn't deserve the spotlight he is getting... Has he passed any rigorous tests?

All the article says is conversant - I am conversant in about eleven languages, or could easily be if I wanted to be, but that isn't a big deal...

Last edited by HonyakuJoshua (2012 February 21, 5:20 pm)

biAtch Member
From: Melbourne Registered: 2009-05-10 Posts: 11

@HonyakuJoshua you're clearly also the man.

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

Moses McCormick is the man dagnammit. I just do mad stunts with kanji.

Irixmark Member
From: 加奈陀 Registered: 2005-12-04 Posts: 291

If you're thinking about continuing this thread, slowly count to ten, think of all the wonderful things you could do instead with your time (including things that involve Japanese), and then do one of those instead...

SomeCallMeChris Member
From: Massachusetts USA Registered: 2011-08-01 Posts: 787

HonyakuJoshua wrote:

As for Erard he is wrong if he says that. There are so many languages in India that a good many people MUST be multilingual to the same degree.

My understanding from talking to people from India is that no outsiders learn the local dialects. Everyone speaks some combination of Hindi, English, and Punjabi so you would only need three languages to interpret pretty much everything in India.

There's no need for any 100-dialect superstars when everyone is somewhat multilingual. Without solid evidence, I would assume the same situation holds in other areas with many dialects, hence the prominence of Mandarin/Cantonese in China, French in Africa, etc. (I don't think Spanish in South America is the same, I believe the original languages have largely fallen into disuse.)

More particularly, without solid evidence, I wouldn't believe the existence of a super-polyglot just because an area happens to have many dialects. Such a person may exist, or they may not, but the dialects don't prove anything about such a person's existence.

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

There are super interpreters: http://worldinterpreting.com/Interpreters_Nigeria.aspx

http://www.eddiedonovan.com/notablepolyglots.htm

Last edited by HonyakuJoshua (2012 February 21, 5:58 pm)

kitakitsune Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-10-19 Posts: 1006

HonyakuJoshua wrote:

There are super interpreters: http://worldinterpreting.com/Interpreters_Nigeria.aspx

Sorry but I'm lazy and only breezed the page, but does it say anywhere on there that any one individual interpreter can speak, lets say English plus more than 3 dialects?

nadiatims Member
Registered: 2008-01-10 Posts: 1676

Some of these hyperglots "master" their languages to a rather low standard (not that there's anything wrong with focus on quantity over quality), but this guy seems to be the real deal, not that I can really verify them though. His dutch pronunciation seems a little off but still very good job overall.

Zorlee Member
From: Oslo / Kyoto Registered: 2009-04-22 Posts: 526

HonyakuJoshua wrote:

so what?

English,  German, Dutch, Afrikaans, are the same family (Germanic) and have similar vocabulary. I could learn these in a year.


French, , Catalan and Italian.Spanish Are the same family (romance) and have similar vocabulary. I could learn these in a year.


Greek,Russian and Hebrew are hard but what tests has he passed in these?

I am not impressed.

Who cares if you're not impressed?
I sure don't.

lernsky Member
From: Germany Registered: 2009-03-23 Posts: 54

Impressive. Only one small syntax error in the last German sentence... as far as I can tell.

He should learn Japanese!

thecite Member
From: Adelaide Registered: 2009-02-05 Posts: 781

God, the amount of effort needed to maintain eleven languages -__-
It's enough just maintaining two.

HonyakuJoshua Member
From: The Unique City of Liverpool Registered: 2011-06-03 Posts: 617 Website

nadiatims wrote:

Some of these hyperglots "master" their languages to a rather low standard (not that there's anything wrong with focus on quantity over quality), but this guy seems to be the real deal, not that I can really verify them though. His dutch pronunciation seems a little off but still very good job overall.

I am very suspicious and even if he does speak them well, I maintain my point about Germanic and Romance Languages I am much more impressed by Moses McCormick http://www.youtube.com/user/laoshu505000

There are much better hyperpolyglots than this guy on the BBC.

nadiatims Member
Registered: 2008-01-10 Posts: 1676

I'm a fan of moses too. I especially like his attitude. Moses studies a very impressive number and variety of languages but jumps from one to the other before reaching a particularly high level, which is fine. But judging from this bbc video (which may well be heavily rehearsed and scripted), this guy seems more fluent in his (comparatively) limited number of his languages. His speed and accent seems good enough to convince me that he probably is reasonably fluent in all these languages. I can't really judge learning a few languages in detail as more impressive then learning the basics in 30. The only polyglots that annoy me are the ones that seem to massively exaggerate/misrepresent their own level.

Zgarbas Watchman
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2011-10-09 Posts: 1210 Website

The kid just participated and won a contest, and it is pretty cool to know so many languages, especially since he's really young. Just because there are quite a few other hyperpolyglots out there doesn't mean that he's any less impressive. (and his accent is good enough to convince me that he knows what he's doing with them). Romance languages may be similar but that doesn't make them a buy-one-get-one-free kind of deal. Sure, get a bit of basic training and you have a huge comprehensibility rate with them, but that doesn't mean you can use them. French is incomprehensible to most romance speakers unless they've studied it extensively. German and English may be both Germanic but the similarities are pretty low, and Dutch is a hell of a weird bucket to dive in. I think everyone agrees that Russian, Greek and Hebrew aren't exactly a stroll in the park either.

Not as impressive as completing Kanji Gold or getting A* on a French test in highschool, I'll have to give you that.