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In keeping with the OP`s question "Has Japan Let You Down", I`d like to elaborate on one of the other aspects of Japan that disappointed me greatly.
I touched on it briefly in my first post, but I feel it merits further discussion. The substandard quality of accommodation in Japan is really quite mind boggling. As some of you may be aware, it is Winter in Japan at the moment. It is, therefore, quite cold. The real kicker though is that not only is it cold outside, it is bitterly cold inside as well. Japanese houses tend not to use insulation at all and are built without the faintest thought given to energy conservation or human comfort. This is quite paradoxical really, as Japan also prides itself on being extremely "eko" (environmentally friendly) and is right now in the middle of several setsuden (energy saving) campaigns. Anyone who has ever been inside a Japanese home will immediately know this to be completely absurd. Any attempt to heat a living space here is immediately met with massive amounts of energy wasted and heat being pissed out through the uninsulated walls and massive glass doors.
Schools are also quite pitiful and in many cases the students are left to learn in unheated classrooms which can reach horrifically low temperatures. Staff rooms on the other hand are often heated by kerosene stoves. These despite providing a modicum of heat, give off harmful emissions in an enclosed space, and I would not be surprised if many teachers in Japanese schools are suffering from mild forms of carbon monoxide poisoning. I have had a friend tell me before of a student who entered a staff room at his school and promptly fainted from the fumes. This same school has instituted a policy of opening the windows briefly every few hours to attempt to alleviate this problem. Quite the moot point if you ask me, heating a room seems quite a waste if one is going to allow, what little heat is left due to the lack of insulation, to literally fly out the window.....
With regards to heating and comfort in buildings in Japan, one final observation I would like to share, is that Japan operates what I like to call a policy of "honne" and "tatemae" in its buildings as well. Any space which is intended to "face" customers is heated to generally comfortable levels. Thus if one were to go to a restaurant or an electronics store, they will be comfortably warm, this being the tatemae side. On the other hand any private residences, or places of work not facing the public will be bitterly cold, the honne side if you will.
This entire situation can also be reversed in the Summer as well, with bitter cold replaced by sweltering heat and humidity.
Quite the disappointment for me, as it was one side of Japan I was completely unaware of and thus blindsided by....
Last edited by ronnihonjin (2012 February 02, 11:08 pm)
`I'm also not sure if getting drunk and wasted is any more mature than acting like an 11 year old at Disneyland. See: Las Vegas.`
Right, because nomu-nication is clearly a much more culturally refined and appropriate way to act weekly, if not daily in Japan. And it totally doesn`t occur in Japan, no not ever.
Edit: I`ve been to Vegas. Who are half the people there but Japanese?
Last edited by Diana (2012 February 02, 9:58 pm)
there's this thing... i forget what it's called?? Oh yeah... "fun".
Some people apparently enjoy things involving it, dunno why...![]()
IceCream wrote:
there's this thing... i forget what it's called?? Oh yeah... "fun".
Some people apparently enjoy things involving it, dunno why...
that was kinda my point, as i feel like maturity levels regarding drunk people in vegas vs. people acting 11 is kinda the same so in the end, who really cares?
ronnihonjin post is spot on.
You would think that a country as wealthy and advanced as Japan would at least have figured out how to properly insulate a home. The home I live in is quite new and was built using all the latest technology that Japan uses when building homes.
But during winter months I have to bundle up just to stay warm in my own home. Central heating, because of poor insulation, is almost unheard of in Japan. An old Navy buddy of mine had a new home built last year with central heating installed. But after getting a heating bill of over 1,500 dollars for one month, he bundles up.
Just another example of how Japan has and continues to let me down.
***from reading through several posts, it seems many are offended at any criticisms of Japan. I certainly don't mean to offend but I have lived here a long time. No one loved Japan more than I did many years ago. Hell, I even married a Japanese girl! But Japan can be a soul crushing place to live in after a while. Japanese society is just so predictable, mundane, childish, prejudiced, etc...
If any of you here are contemplating living in Japan on a permanent basis....don't do it. Just trust me here.
I still don`t understand where you getting at regarding getting drunk and wasted.
Are you trying to say that getting drunk and wasted/considering the act of getting drunk and wasted to be valuable and/or fun only an American thing?
Cheap/crap homes tend to be cheap/crap. That includes old homes.
I recently toured a few demo places built by Toyota Home and they have quite a lot of eco features (heat pumps, heated floors, central heating, double pane windows, solar etc) and DO use insulation, if you are willing to pay for it. Homes tend to be pretty bespoke and lots of people cheap out because they plan on remodeling every couple decades instead of making something that lasts (low upfront cost, high longterm cost, lower comfort). If you tell the builder what you want they WILL do it.
One more reason people cheap out is because they build the house for a young married couple with very young kids (large communal area, large master bedroom), and then when the kids are older they remodel to have bigger kid bedrooms and smaller everything else (and maybe separate bedrooms for mom and dad because they have no attraction to each other anymore).
If you're wanting to get a house and you're looking at houses that already exist instead of empty lots, you're doing it wrong. You are getting something that is both old and was made to someone else's requirements (that probably included cheaping out on comforts you want).
If you're looking at renting a house, it's virtually guaranteed to be ancient and grotty as it is something that is unable to be sold. People don't usually rent houses.
Rental apartments are also pretty cheaply made because anyone with money buys a mansion if they're young & married or a house if they are middle-age (after inheriting the land from now-dead parents), and the building will be near unrentable after only 10 years or so anyways (everyone wants to rent somewhere shiny and new).
Some public schools do put kerosene or resistive electrical heaters in classrooms. It's up to the faculty.
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2012 February 03, 2:41 am)
Japan has been getting much better about insulation recently. Not that I've watched the shows myself, but apparently on some of the home improvement shows where they don't spend all their time eating, one of the first things they do when renovating a house is to put in insulation. Use of insulation in buildings is improving, but yeah, it does suck when you're in a place without it.
I've put 3M window plastic insulation on the windows of several of the places I've lived back when I was up in Hokkaido. One of them, an old farmhouse building, the windows actually became better insulated than the walls after putting it up. Actually, I just recently did the same to the windows of my apartment just outside Tokyo. Winter might be laughable here compared to Hokkaido (and even moreso to northern Minnesota, where I grew up) but it still gets cold enough to be uncomfortable. Still, I'd take Tokyo winter over No. MN winter any year.
How much is that film to cover a typical apartment bedroom veranda door? I don't particularly care about the cold (I like it relatively cold and have a kotatsu and gf to warm me up), but summer sucks.
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2012 February 02, 11:36 pm)
It's cheap...at least the bubble stuff I bought to block the cold was only 980 yen a roll and that covered a whole window -- I needed two rolls but it was well worth it.
But yeah, the cold in the winter and humidity in the summer are terrible, and the very short spring and autumn doesn't compensate. I'm from an area in the US where it doesn't get above freezing for months, but I'm usually warmer there than I am in the 35 degree (F) weather here.
I like the idea of separating rooms to only heat where you are, but then they have all kinds of contraptions to compensate for the lack of insulating and good heating -- space heaters, electric carpets, kotatsu, electric blankets, yutampo, oil heaters, heated toilet seats, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love kotatsu, but it would be even better if there was any insulation as well.
Carbon monoxide poisoning does not cause you to faint, so whatever you heard about a kid passing out from the fumes is bullshit. You could only faint from carbon monoxide poisoning if the dose was high enough to kill you in under ten minutes (i.e., doses in which more than 1% of the air, 10,000 parts per million, is made up of carbon monoxide), in which case everyone in that room would have died.
Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 February 03, 12:45 am)
Since lightheadedness is one of the symptoms, it is possible to faint from chronic, low-level carbon monoxide poisoning. But walking into a room with a kerosene heater and immediately fainting from the carbon monoxide is not possible unless the level is so high that people are dying (as Tzadeck said).
(In any case since CM doesn't have any odor, I don't think the smell of kerosene is any indication of the level of CM being released by the heater.)
Last edited by yudantaiteki (2012 February 03, 12:44 am)
Fortunately I have wood floors with heating so that helps a lot. Something about having toasty warm feet that makes things bearable.
yudantaiteki wrote:
Since lightheadedness is one of the symptoms, it is possible to faint from chronic, low-level carbon monoxide poisoning. But walking into a room with a kerosene heater and immediately fainting from the carbon monoxide is not possible unless the level is so high that people are dying (as Tzadeck said).
(In any case since CM doesn't have any odor, I don't think the smell of kerosene is any indication of the level of CM being released by the heater.)
Actually, I think it's still more correct to phrase it as I originally did, that carbon monoxide cannot cause you to faint except in very high dosages. The colloquial meaning of 'fainting' has a connotation of rapid onset, as does the medical definition. Lightheadedness would give you a tendency to fall asleep, not to faint. It would be a gradual loss of consciousness, not a rapid one.
Technically, by the medical definition of fainting, fainting would never be the right word. You would say 'sudden loss of consciousness.' In medical terminology fainting is called syncope and part of the definition is that the person recovers spontaneously after a short amount of time. Not an important point though, since he was obviously using the word colloquially.
Again on the topic of ronnihonjin's post, I should note that the speculation that teachers are suffering from mild chronic carbon monoxide poisoning is also a load of bull. Not that it couldn't be true, but you have no real evidence to support the speculation and you're just talking out of your ass.
Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 February 03, 1:09 am)
I've personally felt pretty lightheaded like I was going to fall over when standing up in a small kerosene heated room.
I'll never put one in my home because they stink and are dangerous for a number of reasons (fire, poisoning, fuel spillage, etc).
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2012 February 03, 1:26 am)
I absolutely loved my kerosene heater when I lived in Tochigi. It only smelled slightly when I first turned it on, and I never had any problems with it. It worked far better than the ceiling AC/heater unit or any other space heaters I've used. If I lived in a place that allowed one now I'd buy it in a minute.
(As for lightheadedness, there could be other things connected with kerosene other than CM that could cause that.)
Houses here have always been considered a commodity, like a car. You don't buy a used car and expect to have it for the rest of your life, and you certainly don't expect it to increase in value. You buy a nice one in your twenties or thirties, and then when you finally pay it off and retire, you use your savings to build a new one! They let their houses fall apart around them the same way you don't service your car or fix a dent - it's a waste of money, because it's a piece of crap and you're going to get another one one day anyway. So things like insulation are in that category. And if you are cold, just close the doors and have a small jet engine in the room. And if it gives you brain damage, at least you'll find the TV shows funny.
PS Tzadeck, What do you know about fainting? I bet you've never fainted once in your life. My friend knows way more about fainting than you do. I asked him and he said of course you can faint from kerosene fumes. And he said sometimes it can take hours to faint, from the moment you feel "fainty" until you are fully "fainted".
Last edited by Mennon (2012 February 03, 2:01 am)
If the burning is not perfect (as usual), there will be many different compounds in the exhaust, not only CO. The fumes of the kerosene itself can cause lightheadedness or fainting, like most organic solvents (kids do it intentionally).
Regarding the temperature, AFAIK Americans like it hot; there's a difference in heating customs between the US and GB/Europe, too.
Last edited by temporary (2012 February 03, 2:00 am)
Mennon wrote:
PS Tzadeck, What do you know about fainting? I bet you've never fainted once in your life. My friend knows way more about fainting than you do. I asked him and he said of course you can faint from kerosene fumes. And he said sometimes it can take hours to faint, from the moment you feel "fainty" until you are fully "fainted".
Haha, nice.
Mennon:
As you live in the same area as me, I wonder if you work for my competition. ![]()
Does your company name by any chance have a three letter acronym starting with I or S?
temporary wrote:
If the burning is not perfect (as usual), there will be many different compounds in the exhaust, not only CO. The fumes of the kerosene itself can cause lightheadedness or fainting, like most organic solvents (kids do it intentionally).
Regarding the temperature, AFAIK Americans like it hot; there's a difference in heating customs between the US and GB/Europe, too.
I allowed myself to simplify things a bit, since he sandwiched the fainting claim between two sentences about carbon monoxide. What you say is true.
The fact is, I don't believe that the claim about the kid is true. Ronnihonjin hasn't exactly been posting in such a way to make me trust the way he filters which information is true and which information is not true. That's not meant as an attack on him, it's just that when I accept a fact or story as true I always err on the side of caution. Any anecdote I hear I assume to be false without some sort of evidence, but ronnihonjin seems to accept anecdotes with relative flippancy. I really only believe people once they've proven to me that they are good at filtering out the true from the false (for example, I would generally believe something yudantaiteki or Ice Cream or someone like that would say, since reading their posts has proven to me that they can do that).
Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 February 03, 2:48 am)
I've been lurking these forums for a long time, but I think it's about time I registered an account just so I can give some input into this thread.
For a bit of background, I've lived in Japan for over half a decade now, am married to a wonderful Japanese woman (with incredible in-laws, to boot), and have a son. I've got a well-paying job at a Japanese firm, plenty of financial security and all that, and am in my early thirties.
All that said, I'm leaving Japan next year, permanently. The only thing preventing me from leaving this year is the wait time on spouse visa applications in my home country. So, why am I giving up what otherwise looks like a decent life and job in Japan to take a stab at making it in the economic turmoil back home in the West?
Because Japan lied to me.
The "Japan" that Japan consciously sells to the world, with a long history and unique culture and traditions does not exist. The image of Japanese people that Japan sells to the world - a polite, respectful, amicable, honest, trustworthy, creative, hardworking, well-educated people - also does not exist. The Japan that is painted as a "first world country", to use the (incorrect) common term, on par with Western nations in terms of innovation, governmental institutions, and as another poster succinctly put it, rule of law, does not exist.
The Japan that Japan sells the world is a carefully crafted lie, created by a PR campaign that is second to none in the world.
Politeness: The Japanese are not sincerely polite. The politeness that exists here is pounded into childrens' heads from the time they are born, as a mechanical reaction - it's a "when this occurs, do this" reaction. There is no sincerety to it. It's much like tapping one's knee with a hammer - tap the knee, and the leg rises in reaction. Say 'ohayo gozaimasu' and you get 'ohayo gozaimasu' in reaction. Enter a store and you get 'irasshaimase' as a reaction. Enter the staff room in the morning and you must say 'ohayo gozaimasu' (or 'azass' more often than not, remember it is the action and not the sincerety that counts). Japanese society runs on action and reaction, and when you finally realize this, Japan becomes a very cold place indeed.
Respectfulness: Japan certainly paints a picture of the Japanese as a respectful people what with their constant bowing and overuse of keigo, but that is all, again, action and reaction without sincerity. As soon as you are out of earshot (or right in front of them, as I'd say about 90% of Japanese truly believe no foreigner can speak Japanese, tv "tarento" notwithstanding) they will being to speak ill you. The concept of "benefit of the doubt" does not exist here, in any context, especially when dealing with foreigners.
Empathy: There is no empathy here. Japan reminds me much of America in the sense that there is a very "f you, got mine" sort of attitude. As long as it suits me, I will do what I like. Provided I don't break any social mores, I'm fine. Banging on the walls and screaming, that's fine as long as nobody says anything. People here do not genuinely consider how their actions affect others, and I see it every day. The simple lack of thought towards other people here, Japanese and foreigner alike, absolutely sickens me.
Honesty: It is true that, generally speaking, if you leave your wallet on a bench, for example, someone will probably turn it in. Japan has indeed instilled a large degree of of what I would term "enforced social honesty" in its people. As long as you are acting under the guise of yourself, as a private individual, you have a duty to act honestly. In this regard, the Japanese are models of citizens who are honest. Where the act fails however, is when there is some other entity involved. As another poster put it, "people with suits will rob you blind". As long as there is some other entity onto which blame for the act can be shifted, I bear no responsibility, thus it is A-OK to rob you. While a housewife who finds your wallet in the park may turn it in, the same woman wearing a suit and working for a company would have no problem taking you for everything you have. The constant stream of scandals, embezzlement, and corruption here are proof of that point indeed.
Trustworthy: The adage that "you can't trust them farther than you can throw them" is well apt for Japan, especially in regards to personal information. This is quite odd given the strong personal privacy laws here, but again, hypocrisy and double standards are something Japan is all too good at. When you go to the doctor, for example, you may trust that the doctor will not reveal your personal information to other patients. Why then, is the nurse interviewing you in the waiting room about the condition of your hemhorroids, right in front of all of the other patients? This also extends into the workplace: I trust exactly zero of my colleagues to keep any information confidential if said information's release would not detrimentally impact them.
Creativity: Creativity is actively stifled in Japan. Any attempts to deviate from beloved "tradition" are succintly squashed. The examples are countless but I'll come back to this with a grand example regarding Mr. Takafumi Horie.
Hardworking: If there was ever a person who I absolutely would not hire, it would be a person born and raised in Japan. Every day I look around, and see my coworkers dicking off, right in plain sight. This is not only tolerated, but effectively condoned. Reading the newspaper, simply carrying on banal conversations, or even sleeping right at their desks. It disgusts me honestly, especially given the hypocrisy of it all: they whine and complain about having too much work, having to stay late, and so on. Why then are they so unproductive? One western worker would accomplish the work of any three of my current colleagues and still have time to spend on Facebook each day. Now, I'm fully aware that keeping morale up in the ranks is important, but these lot absolutely take the piss with it. And from all accounts, this is not just my coworkers, but the nation as a whole.
Intelligent: I have some friends who work in public schools here, and honestly, it is terrifying. How little these students know of the world is staggering. Many students honestly believe things like "they speak English in the gaikoku", "only Japan has four seasons", "every American has a gun and has shot someone", "only Japan has an effective democratic process", etc. They literally just know nothing. If you cannot dilute it to an equation, the students do not get it. Cramming information into their brains, memorizing "x input = y output" is all these students know. There is exactly zero creativity fostered, no critical thinking, and concepts like applying logic and reason are absolutely unknown. And then the students must all attend juku after regular schooling! How it does speak volumes of the absolute, complete failure of the Japanese school system that students must attend supplementary schooling, yet still actually *know* nothing. I've seen students unable to complete an exercise because the problem was copied directly from the textbook with only the variable names changed. It is both staggering and infuriating. And having gone to a Japanese university myself, I have seen first hand how horrific upper education is here - to put it bluntly, my middle school curriculum was more rigorous and taught me more than my time at a top ten university in Japan. I could write a dissertation on the failings of the university system here, but honestly education in Japan is simply broken, and it reflects in the people raised here.
Japan on par with the West:
This perhaps grates on me the most. Before I lived here I, too, bought into this. From all I had seen, Japan was indeed on par - a booming economy that seemed to work, what appeared to be a functioning government supported by a legal and judicial framework that functioned properly. Oh, how wrong I was.
Much like the stereotype many have of China of simply copying things from the West, modern Japan was actually built on this premise. Advisors were sent abroad, and brought back western institutions and implemented them in Japan. The problem was, they brought things without understanding them. Democracy was brought, in the European model, without understand how or why it works. The Japanese never had to fight for their rights, for their freedoms, and thus do not appreciate them, nor do they value the democratic process.
So, too, was the legal system brought, based upon the models that the German states at the time provided. But again, the Japanese did not "get" it. They have laws, but of course, but they are often not enforced properly, and as much weight is given to blame and responsibility as is given to legality and judicial process. Corruption and scandals are rife, even within the judiciary itself - I do believe the chief public prosecutors of two prefectures are currently up on charges resulting from scandals invovling cases. And as someone else pointed out, they have admitted to being taught that "yakuza and foreigners have no human rights". There is no right of habeas corpus in Japan, and as a foreigner, you are likely to be held for the entirety of the 21 day daiyokangoku process if you do not immediately confess to whatever crime the Japanese police force has accused you of - we would all certainly like to stand up and proclaim that we are innocent and would not buckle, but "torture" would be an apt word one could use to describe the tactics that police use when interrogating suspects, both Japanese and foreign. And the police themselves are effectively immune from investigation, as they control the investigatory bodies, and what with Japan being one giant old boys' club, no one is keep to step on anyone else's toes. And so the show goes on.
Lack of social skills: The Japanese lack social skills. From an early age they are segregated by sex, even through high school. By the time students enter university, they have had, I would estimate, about as much time interacting with non-family members of the opposite sex as your average Western five year old. They simply do not know how to act towards people who are not of the same gender, and it shows. Compounding this problem is the fact that the Japanese seem to mature much slower than Westerners. Your average 25 year old Japanese person is about as mature as a 16 or 17 year old Westerner. Emperor Hirohito himself stated that the "Japanese are children" and not yet mature, and although he was speaking in regards to the adoption of democracy, his words were true in all regards. Japan is a nation of children in adult bodies who do not understand how to act with each other.
Sexualization of children: The sexualization of children here is honestly terrifying. Groups like AKB48, even the old "Onyanko Club" from the 80s, do nothing but make viewing children as sexual objects acceptable. The creator of AKB48 even stated that AKB48 was created specifically for middle aged men. How marketing 12 and 13 year olds to men in their mid-30s is acceptable is completely beyond me. What is further beyond me is why this country is okay with that. I for one do not want my underage children to be thought of as sexual objects for men literally double their age. But this problem extends beyond just the music industry in Japan - so much pornography here features schoolgirls and girls who are supposed to be underage. Far from being a fringe niche, this is mainstream. The sheer volume of rape pornography produced is also worrying. If rape and underage schoolgirls (and let's be fair, there's a truckload of underage schoolgirl rape pornography as well) is what gets Japanese men off, then that is truly scary.
Sexual crimes: Sexual crime and deviancy here is rampant. I do not know a single woman here who has not been molested. Literally. Full stop, end of story, that's it. Even my wife has been molested by a man on the train when she was in high school. It is such a problem that some municipalities (Osaka, to start) have designated women-only cars. I also know women who have been victims of sexual assault, and when the police were called, they simply wrote off the entire incident. Stalking here may be a crime, but only when something bad actually happens. There was a very well-publicized story from two years ago where a woman was finally raped and murdered by her stalker, whom she had reported multiple times to the police prior to the fatal incident - the police simply stated that "nothing can be done". Also, human trafficking is huge here, with thousands and thousands of the women forced into sexual slavery and forced prostitution all over the country. If a woman manages to get free, the authorities are more likely to deport her rather than go after those that held her - just got have a read at Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International for gigantic white papers about sexual slavery in Japan.
Safety Japan: Japan likes to paint itself as a safe country. I'd say as long as you are a man, that is generally true. You aren't very likely to be the victim of random violence out on the street here. But again, in what country ARE yOU likely to be so? Japan pads the numbers, that much cannot be argued - low reporting plus an ineffective and lazy police force who constantly shirk duty (remember the lady who was raped in a koban last year? yikes) means that numbers are artificially repressed. Murders in Japan are often recorded instead as "illegal disposal of a body" because it's easier to prosecute than murder, and because it helps keep the "Team Japan" image clean and safe. Sexual crimes are again, well under reported, and the shame and stigma that a woman is attached when she is assaulted are on par with the likes of Afghanistan or the DRC. And again, thanks to the rampant corruption and scandals, I would estimate that white collar crime here is not only huge but, again, woefully underreported. You might not be gutted by some chav on the sidewalk but you're pretty damn likely to be the victim of some form of fraud or scam. And let's not even mention the fact that the police pretty much allow the Yakuza to work freely throughout the country. The Yakuza are even, oddly enough, kind of a source of national pride. It blows my mind.
And finally the thing that pisses me off most about Japan: the unfounded pride and nationalism.
Japan as a country has given nothing to the world. We, the West, came and brought them out of the iron age and into the modern world. We built them into what they are today. All Japan has done is taken from the West, made some minor improvements on things, and then jacked off about how fantastic they are. It sickens me to death. Japan's literal only claim to fame is having participated in a failed war on the side of the aggressors and lost. They have done nothing else of note, and yet they have the gall to thumb their noses up at us, Europeans, and act as if we are somehow below them. It absolutely enrages me. For all we have done for these people they treat us like, and look at us as, scum, and I for one am tired of it. They show no appreciation nor gratitude for all that we have given them, and it sickens me, about as much as it should sicken Americans that they pay taxes to support South Korea, another nation which does all it can to shit all over the West. At least China is honest about not liking us. SK and Japan can both go right to hell as I'm concerned - perhaps if the Soviets had taken over, they wouldn't need someone to come along right now and put them in their places.
So **** you Japan, I'm out. Wish I'd never came here, honestly. Back to the fatherland of the EU for me.
Ah I forgot to mention Mr. Horie. Look him up on Wikipedia, but basically he went against the Old Boys' club, tried to be innovative and creative, and the geriatrics brought the entire system down on his head, trumped up some securities fraud charges that literally everyone agrees are BS, and locked him away. He's serving time right now, in fact.
His crime? Not playing by the Old Boys' rules.
I don't agree with all you just wrote but that rant deserves a good applause.
leonardodiregrettorino wrote:
So **** you Japan, I'm out. Wish I'd never came here, honestly. Back to the fatherland of the EU for me.
Just in time for you to watch it come crashing down. ![]()
I agree with a lot of what you said, but it all just seems another shade of Red to me when I look at my country. Maybe EU is the bastion of civilization and its really better than Japan, but America sure as hell ain't (only other country I can base experience off of). I've just seen across multiple threads and forums the same sort of strong EU sentiment vs most other countries and can't help but wonder if its merely the same thing I had mentioned earlier in this thread.
"People tend to be more forgiving of their home country's short comings than other countries."
So much of what you said could just as easily apply to the US with a bit of changing around and emphasizing different points, which is why I find it hard to believe that EU could be sitting on some kind of polar opposite of Japan. The only thing that EU has going for it compared to Japan is that its ethnically Caucasian strong compared to Japan being Asian. So at best you won't feel like a minority in the EU.
Last thing I would like to point out though is that much of the "PR" that you talk about (Low crime, smart, etc.) is perpetuated by other cultures. Its not as if Japan is running PR campaigns in other countries trying to puff their country as a place to take a vacation to or come and work. Its the stats (which could be fabricated) and people looking at them and going "wow great place!" Plus stereotypical ideas which have entered the cultural hivemind and are being infinitely perpetuated through ignorance.
VVV I wouldn't put my kids through the education system here. Its horrendous and stiffing, and railroads you.
Last edited by vix86 (2012 February 08, 8:46 pm)

