synewave
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From: Susono, Japan
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Is anything happening regarding stories that get reported? I noticed a non-English story being fairly heavily reported, I assume on the basis that it was written in French, I think. If that is indeed the reason it seems almost racist in intent!
There was even one of my stories that was reported. Come off it 
What surprised me even more was a dingomick story that a couple of people took a disliking to!
As my old French teacher used to say "What's gaun on?" (what's going on?)
synewave
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JimmySeal wrote:
You and dingomick were probably reported because those are Heisig's mnemonics.
I believe that was the original purpose of that feature.
Hard to guess why anything else might have been reported because you haven't specified where it happened.
Perhaps you'll think I'm being pedantic (it's a slow day at school) but,
Heisig wrote:
Tall children receive more attention. Tall children grow up to make better wide receivers.
Now while I do agree that our stories are pretty similar to the man's, if you look at what Heisig wrote then at Ramchip's (no offence intended) you'll see his being 'starred' for what me and dingomick are 'reported' for.
I've now changed my story to just "Gerry Rice". The interesting thing is that the 'reports' are tied to me and that character so even if I change the story or make it private then public again, the 'reports' remain.
Anyway, I don't want to whine like a baby too much. My original post was more about what happens next...
Currently, the only way to find out about issues with one's stories is by noticing flags and starts yourself. We all know that Fabrice has more to deal with than running reports, but are there any good ideas regarding dealing with story "problems"?
JimmySeal
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Registered: 2006-03-28
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I already knew that your story and Dingomick's were not identical to Heisig's, but something doesn't have to be identical to the source material to be copyright infringement or plagiarism. The pun on football "receivers" is distinctly Heisig's.
if you look at what Heisig wrote then at Ramchip's (no offence intended) you'll see his being 'starred' for what me and dingomick are 'reported' for.
This is true, but it's hard to assume how that came about. I'd be willing to bet that the people who starred Ramchip's and the ones who flagged yours are different people.
People should be able to see which posts of theirs have been flagged so they can adjust them, but I think the system requires some deal of moderation (that is, it needs a moderator), and I think flaggers should be required to supply an explanation for flagging a story.
vosmiura
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Registered: 2006-08-24
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There were a couple of kanji that Heisig made a mistake in listing its primitives.
Oh, I hadn't thought of using the report for that. I thought it was more for use for plagiarism or... M rated stories.
I've seen some that claimed there were mistakes, when there weren't. One is use of kanji "formerly" that someone thinks isn't primitive "increase", but it is.
Last edited by vosmiura (2007 November 02, 12:46 am)
When you report a post on the forum, you're asked to give a reason. I think the same thing should happen for stories. I also think the author of the story should be made aware of it.
There may be times when the author of the story thinks the reporter's reasons are unfair/inappropriate/unfounded etc. I think that the onus should be on the author to remove or change the story if someone else finds it offensive even if this risks the missed opportunity of inspiring other readers, who may like it.
The reporter should then be able to unreport the story if he/she is happy.
What do you think? Fair?
Last edited by wrightak (2007 November 02, 6:20 am)
alantin
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Registered: 2007-05-02
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Noh. Miten sen nyt ottaa.. Jos kaikki alkavat kirjoitella eri kielilla, pian kukaan ei saa mistaan mitaan selvaa.. Kyse ei mielestani ole niinkaan siita, ettei osallistumista ja postauksia pitaisi hyvaksya eri kielilla vaan pikemminkin mielekkyydesta.. Englanti on yleismaailmallinen kieli ja kun siina pysytaan, kaikki ymmartavat mista puhutaan.
Muilla kielilla kirjoittelua voisi melkein jopa sanoa diskriminoinniksi! =P
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Well.. I think if everybody started to write in different languages, soon no-one would be able to understand anything. Its not about that contributions in different languages shouldn't be accepted but about what is understandable. English is a "intercultural" language in the sense that most people can understand it and when we stick to it, everybody knows where we are going.
Using unrelated languages could almost be called discrimination! =P
Just my humble opinion with a touch of sarcasm.. No offense meant!
Last edited by alantin (2007 November 02, 7:20 am)
aircawn
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From: Australia
Registered: 2006-07-18
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Keep in mind that Fabrice has only gotten permission to use the keywords from the English version of RTK. People posting stories for their localised version of RTK (DE, FR, SP etc) might encourage people to post their language's keywords with the story. That would be bad.
So to limit the risk that this site may get in trouble from the publishers, I'm with the English / Japanese only camp.
Biene
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Registered: 2007-09-14
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I know that this is a English < Japanese learning forum. But since the RTK1-book has been translated to German, French and Spanish you sometimes find stories in those languages in the "study" section. I find it unfair if people "report" those stories just because they are not in English and because they might not understand those languages.
I saw a nice version, where the author first wrote the story in English, and than in German. If it would be possible to selectively "share" your story, then one could write a "private" version, e.g. in German, and an "official" version in English. But that's probably much too much trouble to program. Though it would help us "non-English"-RTK1-learners, since our keywords are sometimes quite different to the English ones.
The point about permission from the publishers though is an important one, so I'll refrain from publishing any German keywords or stories, but rather translate them into English before sharing. I guess no one here wants to get Fabrice into trouble. 
Until synwave brought this up, I thought that when you "report" a story you'd have to write a reason for "reporting" it. So I guess I'm with wrightak on this:
It would be nice for the authors to get informed when a story has been "reported" and why.
But they have more stars than flags 
