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Lalasayso New member
From: California Registered: 2011-12-21 Posts: 2

I've been at RTK1 for a week now and I'm at 352(50/day). Since winter break is going to be over for me in around 2 weeks, I should be at around 1k kanji when school starts. Would it be beneficial to learn say.. 5-10 kanji per day or just stop all together and just review what I've learned until the next large break when I can focus solely on kanji?

Another question is how do you learn new kanji? I make story that fits and write the kanji down around 15 times. Should I keep doing this or keep the repitition down like Heisig says?

chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

For me, reviews are more important than adding new kanji.

So review kanji throughout the day (a smartphone is great for this) and when you are done review add a few kanji. It's ok to slow down your pace when school.

Just keep reviewing and if you have extra time, a few more kanji. Even at a slow pace, you're good to go. The important thing is to keep up and keep pushing ahead little by little.

You'll finish eventually.

Also, you'll get more advice from Heisig as you get further into the book.
So just pay attention to the advice he gives you.

Betelgeuzah Member
From: finland Registered: 2011-03-26 Posts: 464

I hope that nobody would advise you to stop learning new kanji for no reason. If you can keep going, you definitely should. 5 a day, 50 a day....whatever fits your schedule.

If you have to choose between reviewing and adding new ones though, I'd choose reviews.

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nadiatims Member
Registered: 2008-01-10 Posts: 1676

I'm gonna give opposite advice to chamcham above. Always push forward exploring new territory rather than getting bogged down in reviews. This keeps things interesting. Once you start reading or textbook study, you're gonna be getting massive recursion on your kanji anyway. Also if you have forgotten a kanji, no big deal. It's easy enough to check if you have a decent dictionary. Review/refresh only as necessary,  don't just go through the motions out of a sense of duty.

Last edited by nadiatims (2011 December 26, 11:24 pm)

EratiK Member
From: Paris Registered: 2010-07-15 Posts: 874

Reviews are essential, especially in the beginning since you learn kanji that will be part of other kanji later on. You must'nt cut on reviews, it's a bad habit when you can just learn to breeze through them with a little practice (and you will). But you'll also see with a little practice that learning like 25 kanji a day (using the other users of this site stories for example) is easily done while keeping with your reviews (and you won't have as much reviews as people doing 75 kanji a day). But nadiatims is right, it's important to add at least one new kanji every day. Hairy tortoise and all that...

Also, about the way you learn kanji, writing them down 15 times is definitely too much, and a waste of time imo. Once or twice is enough. Don't worry, you'll review them a lot soon enough for your muscle memory to kick in.
Good luck. wink

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Last edited by EratiK (2011 December 27, 5:11 am)

SomeCallMeChris Member
From: Massachusetts USA Registered: 2011-08-01 Posts: 787

I don't think Nadia's advice is right for this poster - it's true that you don't need to push your RTK reviews out to a multi-year interval before you stop reviewing ... -if- you are actually reading native material (without furigana) on a regular basis. As long as you are only in basic textbooks + RTK, I think it's a good idea to keep up your reviews. Once you dive into native material and are getting that constant reinforcement, Nadia's advice becomes relevant.

I think 1-2 times is plenty for writing Kanji when learning if you write them on each review - writing them a few more times than that might be good if you don't write them with each review.

Personally, I think writing them on reviews is important as it prevents tricking yourself with a 'yeah, that's what I meant' answer. Unless you have very strong short term memory -and- visualization, you can easily deceive yourself into thinking you thought out the right stroke order in your mind when you actually left an entire element out. Of course, when you're flipping through them on your cell phone in idle moments, you are likely also going to have to review them mentally... can't really bring out a pen and paper standing in the checkout line! If you visualize the right stroke order, though, it doesn't take any more or less time really compared to actually writing them.

wccrawford Member
From: FL US Registered: 2008-03-28 Posts: 1551

Absolutely continue the reviews.

New learning is optional, but it'll help keep you motivated.  If you don't learn anything new, it's going to get old fast.  Thanks, human mind.

Splatted Member
From: England Registered: 2010-10-02 Posts: 776

I agree with Nadiatims; you should forcus on learning new things and avoid getting bogged down in reviews. In addition to what she said, I also find that learning new things makes everything else easier since it's all connected, so to me learning new things is always the priority.

And yeah, writing each kanji 15 times is completely unnecessary. It's hard to believe when you haven't tried it, but the amount Heisig recommends really is all you need.

Marble101 Member
From: New Jersey USA Registered: 2011-09-05 Posts: 112

While it is important to learn new kanji, I have found that if I don't review the kanji, that after a week or so, they kind of fade from my memory and I have a hard time remembering the story.

I wouldn't stop adding new kanji, because then you might never restart, but add 4-6 kanji a day. It only takes an additional 10 minutes and is quite helpful in the long run. That way, even if your next break isn't for another 6 months, you've still added a significant number or new kanji.

Just don't stop reviewing, though.

Max.89 Member
Registered: 2010-03-07 Posts: 27

I think you don't need to write the kanji down more than one time.
I think you really learn a kanji when you find it in real context, but heisig is useful because when you will encounter the kanji you will feel somehow already used to it.

Last edited by Max.89 (2011 December 27, 2:13 pm)

Lalasayso New member
From: California Registered: 2011-12-21 Posts: 2

Thanks a lot guys. As some of you mentioned, I do write the kanji when I review to refrain from deceiving myself.

I forgot to mention that I'm currently in a college with a quarter system. After reading everyone's comments it seems that about 5 per day seems good enough with daily review unless there was something I missed.

Also, are there any apps on the iPhone that can substitute for the flash card system on this site? I don't have internet so an app with built in characters would be nice.

Betelgeuzah Member
From: finland Registered: 2011-03-26 Posts: 464

Anki costs some money but is excellent and many people use it for that very purpose. You do need interent access to be able to download the RtK deck though, plus the app itself of course lol.

EratiK Member
From: Paris Registered: 2010-07-15 Posts: 874

There's also this:
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=7797
But I haven't read the 3 pages, so may not suit you.

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