mentat_kgs wrote:

Erm, well, you did it wrong, dude. You should only review the yellow stacks. Now your schedule is completely f***** up.

I recomend you use anki to fix it.

I have a Kanji poster in my room, with all 2042 Kanji on it. There's not one of them I don't know. I don't think there is a wrong way of doing it. Sure you can wait longer between reviews but if you have time and aren't doing anything anyway, just do it. Not like looking at them more is gonna make remembering them worse. I can do the anki review as well but I see no difference between using that and this site. I don't have a schedule, I do what I do and it works, for me anyway.

mentat_kgs wrote:

That is ignoring spaced repetition scientific research.
Yes, it will work. But it is not time efficient.
Keep in mind that you will need to keep reviewing forever.

Not really, I have been back to doing normal Japanese study now. I have been incorporating all the Kanji I have learnt into the vocabulary I already knew, which is a lot to say the least. Already I am writing them without much thought. Gradually I will move away from reviews because I will simply be using the Kanji and reading the Kanji over and over. I'm aiming to be fluent in Japanese, not just learn Kanji.

Whoa whoa whoa, stop reviewing for a month? Stop all Japanese for 1 month? That's never gonna happen. Like I said, I will gradually just incorporate all of the Kanji into the Japanese I already know. There won't be any point in time where I will go 1 month without seeing them, apart from maybe the odd few. Also the last time I done the first 200 Kanji was over 2 weeks ago and I haven't forgotten one of them. I use Kanji all the time, only now I have an English word and story behind all of them. I'm constantly reinforcing them. I won't purposely stop doing Japanese/Kanji just so I can do it with some SRS standard. I will use and re-use, over and over. I also happen to like writing more than typing so I'm also getting the benefit of writing them a lot as well. I see no negatives.

CaLeDee wrote:

Whoa whoa whoa, stop reviewing for a month? Stop all Japanese for 1 month? That's never gonna happen. Like I said, I will gradually just incorporate all of the Kanji into the Japanese I already know. There won't be any point in time where I will go 1 month without seeing them, apart from maybe the odd few. Also the last time I done the first 200 Kanji was over 2 weeks ago and I haven't forgotten one of them. I use Kanji all the time, only now I have an English word and story behind all of them. I'm constantly reinforcing them. I won't purposely stop doing Japanese/Kanji just so I can do it with some SRS standard. I will use and re-use, over and over. I also happen to like writing more than typing so I'm also getting the benefit of writing them a lot as well. I see no negatives.

You can't have much experience with Japanese if you think all the joujyo kanji come up on a regular basis. You will save a lot of time and a lot of effort by learning them correctly using SRS during your studies, instead of learning them in an half-assed way over 21 days. Even if you try to incorporate all of them into your studies (which won't work anyway, some of the kanji in Heisig seriously have few uses outside of names and special situations) that won't save you any time or effort. It will just mean you have to spend more time studying stuff you could simply know from the start.

Anyway, it's your studies, you are free to go about them any way you like. But if you feel you want your studies to be effective, you should probably follow scientific advice instead of simply spending 8 hours every day studying.

Last edited by Tobberoth (2008 September 23, 3:22 pm)

Tobberoth wrote:

CaLeDee wrote:

Whoa whoa whoa, stop reviewing for a month? Stop all Japanese for 1 month? That's never gonna happen. Like I said, I will gradually just incorporate all of the Kanji into the Japanese I already know. There won't be any point in time where I will go 1 month without seeing them, apart from maybe the odd few. Also the last time I done the first 200 Kanji was over 2 weeks ago and I haven't forgotten one of them. I use Kanji all the time, only now I have an English word and story behind all of them. I'm constantly reinforcing them. I won't purposely stop doing Japanese/Kanji just so I can do it with some SRS standard. I will use and re-use, over and over. I also happen to like writing more than typing so I'm also getting the benefit of writing them a lot as well. I see no negatives.

You can't have much experience with Japanese if you think all the joujyo kanji come up on a regular basis. You will save a lot of time and a lot of effort by learning them correctly using SRS during your studies, instead of learning them in an half-assed way over 21 days. Even if you try to incorporate all of them into your studies (which won't work anyway, some of the kanji in Heisig seriously have few uses outside of names and special situations) that won't save you any time or effort. It will just mean you have to spend more time studying stuff you could simply know from the start.

Anyway, it's your studies, you are free to go about them any way you like. But if you feel you want your studies to be effective, you should probably follow scientific advice instead of simply spending 8 hours every day studying.

People criticized Heisig for doing things his own way as well. Look how that turned out. I'm not comparing myself to him. I'm just saying there's more than 1 way to learn, and some ways work better for some than others. Thanks, and I will continue as I have done, which certainly isn't half-assed.

Right ファブリス, and Heisig had to come up with his own stories for all of them while I mostly used pre-made stories from this site. I agree it might be better to wait a while before reviewing the cards on this site, but I will still use quite a lot of Kanji regardless of whether I am reviewing them or not. I was wanting to get all the cards into box 4 but I'm not sure how long it takes for cards in each box to expire. If a card just enters box 4, how long before it will expire and come up for review?

I'm just impressed he got all 2000 RTK done in 21 days. I'm disappointed in the vitriol directed at him when he revealed that he's not doing SRS correctly. He still finished RTK in 21 days. Commenting on how to do the SRS should have been more helpful and less accusatory (especially not calling it "half assed" or such).

CaLeDee, what I recommend is restarting all your kanji from scratch. You seem to enjoy reviewing all of them, so this should not be to difficult of a suggestion. Just this time, only review expired kanji after the initial review. As said, if you're reviewing everything everyday, then an SRS is not needed. If you want to review Kanji less and less each day (though keeping it memorized), thus giving time to do other studying, then the SRS used correctly will really help.

Also, when you review are you doing: See the Keyword, Write out (in mind or on paper) the kanji from memory, compare to answer. Reason I ask this is I assume it takes about 3 to 4 kanji a minute to review. 2000 kanji then takes 8 to 10 hours. If you review in a different way, could you post how you do it?

Again, congratulations.

CatLeDee wrote:

Right ファブリス, and Heisig had to come up with his own stories for all of them while I mostly used pre-made stories from this site

Good point

Yes, you can delete all cards with the options on the Review/Main page, and add them back in. The spaced repetition will help you separate the very good stories ("Easy" answer) from the flaky ones, which is hard to tell with short term regular reviews. Do what you enjoy of course! Have you thought about doing RtK 3 ?

In case you haven't, note that you have to review the new/'blue' cards once to move them into the One Review box before they'll start expiring automatically.

Just making sure
Failed ones just sit until you re-learn them, which is actually kindof nice since it makes sure you take a peak at the study page with the stories and everything. But yeah, they'll just sit there, which is how some people manage to build up hundreds of failed cards.
Anyway, congrats on finishing so rapidly, and good luck in progressing to more spread out review.

Just finished RtK1 tonight.

Sure, it took me a while-- 6 months and that was with already having done the first 400 kanji or so 2 times before (and failing to finish). But at the same time, I now know how to write so many kanji that it's awesome. Now to speed through RtK2 and incorporate RtK3 into my learning schedule whenever I feel like learning some new kanji. All that starts as soon as my reviews calm down (as I'm sure for the next week or so I'm going to have 2 or 3 hours of reviews every day).

But wow-- it feels so liberating to be finished. To have all that knowledge...

Awesome.

CaLeDee wrote:

I could restart them all again, sure. The only thing is I find myself not wanting to wait for a scheduled review. I just like going over them. I will try as you suggest though. Do I just have to remove 2042 cards then re-add them all at once?

If you enjoy challenges, you may replace all your English keywords with Japanese real vocabulary. If you are interested, check this thread. If you take that path, please share your progress with all of us.

Last edited by Transtic (2008 October 01, 4:11 pm)

Finally done! Took me about 5 months. The stories on this site were a great help.  Now I'm on to 2001.K.O.