A big problem.. advice?

narafan Member

Registered: 2007-05-30 Posts: 66

Ok Ok I've been kind of slack in the "failed kanji" department..

There's 291 kanji in there, all above flashcard 700.
I suspect I know quite a few of them, just reviewed when I wasn't in my prime state of mind, and so they're there.
I've got 1183 kanji as a whole.

I figured I'd do them after I have 2042 added.
Now it dosen't seem like a very good idea (Yeah no sh*t ) and I can't be arsed to do all of them at once.

So, any motivating advice/suggestions/punishments for people to give me about this small *big* problem?

JimmySeal Member

From: Kyoto Registered: 2006-03-28 Posts: 2279

Jes whittle 'em down. Resolve yerself to do 10 or 15 a day in addition to whatever else you're doing. In 20-30 days, they'll be gone!

jondesousa Member

From: USA Registered: 2006-06-13 Posts: 134

I agree with JimmySeal. I did the "Quick and dirty" RTK method when I made it through. I personally wouldn't worry about too many failed kanji at first, just work your way through them.

The only ones that I would worry about are basic kanji that are used as primitives in other kanji. Simple examples are things like thread, gate, etc. If any of these are in the failed stack, you should try to get them down first as they are the building blocks of more difficult kanji.

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Sequa Member

From: Germany Registered: 2006-11-02 Posts: 40

A week ago I had more than 300 failed kanjis. If you focus just on the failed kanjis and do 30-50 a day, they'll be gone in no time. I recommend doing this before you go on with learning new ones. Relearning failed kanjis should be easy as you already have the stories and probably remember many from your last reviews.

javiergakusei Member

From: Bolivia Registered: 2006-06-19 Posts: 10

I can review about 50 failed kanjis in an hour, but maybe it is because I almost always review them every day. If not, I feel like I am not making any progress. I strongly recommend you to pay special attention to the failed kanji stack. It will make your life easier later on. Just remember that RTK is not a race, so you should not hurry yourself in to finishing it, if you are not remembering the kanji well.

synewave Member

From: Susono, Japan Registered: 2006-06-23 Posts: 864 Website

Don't forget the reviewing from the red stack option http://kanji.koohii.com/review/review.p … &box=1 (nod to whoever posted that link on the forum first, sorry can't remember who )

zazen666 Member

From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

I always use the reviewing the red stack option. works great for me. I am not sure what its not a regular option.

yorkii Member

From: Moriya, Ibaraki Registered: 2005-10-26 Posts: 408 Website

synewave wrote:
Don't forget the reviewing from the red stack option http://kanji.koohii.com/review/review.p … &box=1 (nod to whoever posted that link on the forum first, sorry can't remember who )

that's awesome. i didn't know you could do that. thank you 正弦曲線さん and whoever posted it originally too. i have been putting off going through the failed column for ages.

Kieron Member

From: Seattle - USA Registered: 2007-02-23 Posts: 63

zazen666 wrote:
I always use the reviewing the red stack option. works great for me. I am not sure what its not a regular option.

Click the red "## Failed Kanji" link above the Study button on the front page.

Nukemarine Member

From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

When this happened to me (big fail stack build up) I thought that I'd just use those then add in new Kanji as the fail stack disappeared. I didn't like that after a bit as I was slacking in learning new (and sometimes easier) Kanji. Now, I do the following steps:

1. Review expired cards (around 70 to 80 a day for now)
2. Review cards just added day before (around 30 or so, whatever got added yesterday)
3. Study cards in missed stack (upto 30, any others get left for next day)
4. Add and study new cards (around 30 or so)

I guess this can qualify as 2 hours of effort all together. Studying is the most time intensive part (as it should be). Review goes by pretty fast. My missed stacked has been above 100 for over 2 weeks, but I've been adding in 30 new kanji a day so I take it with a grain of salt.

If I tried to review all my missed kanji, I think I'd be tempted to just give a cursory review. By limiting them, I justify giving more time to each one, thereby getting a better story for memory.

zazen666 Member

From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

Kieron wrote:
zazen666 wrote:
I always use the reviewing the red stack option. works great for me. I am not sure what its not a regular option.
Click the red "## Failed Kanji" link above the Study button on the front page.

Click the red ## failed kanji link doesnt give it to you as flash cards I beleive, which the above link does

aircawn Member

From: Australia Registered: 2006-07-18 Posts: 166

synewave wrote:
Don't forget the reviewing from the red stack option http://kanji.koohii.com/review/review.p … &box=1 (nod to whoever posted that link on the forum first, sorry can't remember who )

Oh dirty. Now I find out about that. That would have been very useful last year.

Kieron Member

From: Seattle - USA Registered: 2007-02-23 Posts: 63

zazen666 wrote:
Click the red ## failed kanji link doesnt give it to you as flash cards I beleive, which the above link does

Right you are. I wonder why I thought otherwise?

narafan Member

Registered: 2007-05-30 Posts: 66

Sweet never knew about that option for reviewing from the failed deck

Well I guess I would have to agree with you ugys and wittle 'em down starting today..

Thanks for the help!

Nukemarine Member

From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

It may be that reviewing a missed stack is counter productive. You missed them for a reason, so perhaps studying is the best way.

However, I posted a suggestion before that Added Cards and Missed Cards should be treated the same way:

1. Added Cards have a "learned" button on their study page which moves them to the three day stack.

2. Missed Cards have a "review" option.

javiergakusei Member

From: Bolivia Registered: 2006-06-19 Posts: 10

zazen666 wrote:
I always use the reviewing the red stack option. works great for me. I am not sure what its not a regular option.

I can't find where to click in the RTK site to get access to the super reviewing feature for failed cards. Can you please help me? I think it's a great and everybody shuld know about it.

ruisu Member

From: New York Registered: 2007-09-04 Posts: 53 Website

Neither can I...maybe you're not supposed to. Just click on a green stack and modify the url so that expired= is 1 and box= is 1 as well.

alantin Member

From: Finland Registered: 2007-05-02 Posts: 346

That's the trick!

For me that link goes straight to my bookmarks!

ファブリス hasn't commented yet to this thread. Let's see if there is a new link after the next update! ;P

vosmiura Member

From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

I would just go through them each day, if its not too much time. Sooner or later more & more will make it up your stacks.

I use Anki to review, and it basically won't let you build a big stack of failed cards because it'll keep asking you every 10 minutes. The failed ones will just keep on coming back. I find that works well, because I don't have a big stack of failed cards and yet it didn't hinder my progress through the book. I'm on ~1350 now.

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