It's been a bumpy road, but it's nice to see energy redirected from habbo raids to something more meaningful and less racist. One could sense the change leading up to and following project chanology. Old sentiments were pitted against new ones. Leading up to the first protest, one couldn't be sure whether or not Scientology would be the target, or him or herself. The old way would have meant the latter. But, with a series of successes, attitudes have changed.

(Never mind, this is not a debate I really want to have)

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yudantaiteki wrote:

(Never mind, this is not a debate I really want to have)

Chilling effect? ;p

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I liked the cameo from Stephen Fry at the end of the video. I guess that was a tip of the hat to the film "V for Vendetta", which he is in, and which is I think also where that mask they use comes from.

They are claiming November 5th Facebook will be taken down due to their selling user information to governments.  Facebook has three months to mount a defense.   It is Guy Fawkes night, the date used in V for Vendetta. 

They claim to be standing up against the organized criminal class, censorship and copywrong laws using direct nonviolence resistance.  Anyone familiar with the way corporations conduct business understands what they mean by organized criminal class. 

They (We) are the closest thing to a superhero and true democracy that exists in this world.  Democracy does not exist in government as corporations control all political parties.  It can only exist if individuals openly share ideas and fight back using the matrix of mind found on the internet.

Claim this. Claim that. Without any proof, there is nothing. Using deceptive language doesn't give one moral high ground. People working in the shadows (of the Internet) to change our world. Doesn't sound like democracy.

"On 31 July, Anonymous attacked the websites of 77 different law enforcement websites hosted on the same server. As much as 10 gigabytes of data was taken, including the personal information of police officers from numerous jurisdictions. Emails were also taken, as well as the confidential information of inmates and confidential informants, though not released yet. Anonymous said that they would redact inmate names but would release the names of all " informants who had the false impression that they would be able to ‘anonymously’ snitch in secrecy." The release also included a demand that all arrested members of Anonymous be released immediately.[65] Some of the information released, however, was already publicly available.[66] They proceeded to release the social security numbers of over 100 police officers from the Missouri Sheriffs' Association website.[67] The following Saturday, 6 August, they released a cache of data from the websites title "Shooting Sheriffs Saturday Release" which included the information taken from law enforcement websites. Large amounts of personal information was included, with Anonymous stating, "We have no sympathy for any of the officers or informants who may be endangered by the release of their personal information. For too long they have been using and abusing our personal information."[68] Anonymous claimed that their motive was revenge over the arrests of a number of participants in previous operations and of LulzSec and Anonymous member Topiary. They also used stolen credit card numbers to make donations to the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the Bradley Manning Support Network.[68]"

"On 28 June, the group released the second collection of documents stolen from the Arizona Department of Public Safety during Operation Anti-Security. Dubbed "Chinga la Migra Communique Dos", or "**** the Border Patrol Message Two", the data file contained the names, addresses, phone numbers, internet passwords, and social security numbers of a dozen Arizona police officers. It also contained the emails, voicemails, chat logs of some of them; in at least one instance it included sexually explicit photographs from one of the officer's girlfriends.[32] Anonymous also claimed that the documents included officers forwarding racist chain emails, evidence of K-9 unit officers using percocet, and a Fraternal Order of Police member who is also a convicted sex offender.[32] Anonymous noted that their motivation stemmed from a desire to make police officers "experience just a taste of the same kind of violence and terror they dish out on an every day basis."[32]"

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I'm not saying that I completely disagree with everything they stand for or everything they've ever done.  But their tactics are not what I would describe as "nonviolent resistance".

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Having been the victim of police corruption twice myself involving highway patrol, once in North Carolina and once in Louisiana, where I was threatened with false charges and imprisonment if I didn't offer a cash "settlement" on the spot, I have no sympathy for police who get hacked.

How could one not love this? Message to Scientology

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Having been the victim of police corruption twice myself involving highway patrol, once in North Carolina and once in Louisiana, where I was threatened with false charges and imprisonment if I didn't offer a cash "settlement" on the spot, I have no sympathy for police who get hacked.

So because you were the victim of police corruption, you think it is acceptable to attempt to ruin the lives of many police officers, whether they are corrupt or not.  How does that help stop police corruption?  It may satisfy a lust for revenge, but that kind of body-for-an-eye, once again, does not fit my definition of "nonviolent resistance".

Last edited by yudantaiteki (2011 August 12, 10:51 am)

Great post Aijin!

@yudantaiteki,
The police officers' lives weren't ruined.  They were simply inconvenienced for a little while.  The actions done by corrupt police actually do ruin lives.  If you are a minority in America, or if you have lived in Japan for any amount of time, you know of someone who has been beaten up for no reason.

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Having been the victim of police corruption twice myself involving highway patrol, once in North Carolina and once in Louisiana, where I was threatened with false charges and imprisonment if I didn't offer a cash "settlement" on the spot, I have no sympathy for police who get hacked.

Really? Yes, corruption exists, but many police are decent people. Are you saying these people deserve it just for being police?

They also used stolen credit card numbers to make donations to the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the Bradley Manning Support Network.

And if they support those organisations, then that was a stupid thing to do. Many of those payments will be charged back, along with a hefty fine; so those who received the "donations" will probably end up with less money than they had before.