Same problem here
I had to update every resource I'm downloading
I'll be uploading updated versions...after 6 months!

Duuuh! Didn't you read my post, and the one following it?? I bought the book because there is NO RTK ONLINE REFERENCE I have found that includes the new Kanji from 2010.

You got a better idea? Post it.

Either that or keep posting rude messages, hoping that Fabrice will update it some day.

Ginmanm wrote:

bodhisamaya wrote:

Just hide the book until you finish learning all 3000+ kanji from this site.

I suggest not following such horrible advice. The book is much more effective,and this site was never meant to learn all kanji without reading it first. More like, using other users stories just in case Heisgs isn't clear enough and "flashcards".

...I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. Just fyi.

It would screw people who can't get their hands on the new edition of the book which I think represents the larger part of the user base of this site.

squarezebra wrote:

OP, if you don't like this site, then go make your own. Fabrice has put a lot of time and effort into this FREE community endeavour, and doesn't need people like YOU whining because YOU don't think it's good enough

There's pretty much everything you are gonna need for your kanji, and way way way way more besides within this site, and a community that would bend over backwards to help you... you just gotta be polite

This is false as OP didn't start the fire but your quoted "community" member(s) have. You only prolong the spread of the fire,why not extinguish it with an answer to his/her question?

I haven't been keeping up with specific RTKv1 developments; haven't there been changes made that makes incorporation of the new standard kanji or whathaveyou easy? Otherwise I don't see that there's much difference to throw off a person with the 6th edition and using this site?

And the comment that said Duuuhh!!!!! was hilariously over the top. ;p I imagined someone with a hair trigger shouting it angrily in real life in response to some innocuous murmured comment, and it made me laugh.

Last edited by nest0r (2011 August 05, 6:09 pm)

If the new edition is the same as the supplement, the font problem is that Heisig invented his own simplifications (or used shorthands) that are not standardized (though follow the patterns of other simplifications), because he figured that the kanji would end up simplified anyways in a baffling misunderstanding of the history of kanji usage and the whole point of standardized gov't kanji lists.

In short, blame Heisig for making a bad choice, not Fabrice for failing to display characters that don't exist in fonts.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2011 August 05, 9:54 pm)

Sorry, I'm new here, but I feel like people are missing the point of the OP's question. I had the same question, as I started the 6th edition 2 weeks ago, and am now up around 750 and finding myself struggling to make up my own stories sometimes (which led to me finally finding this AWESOME website).

Initially, I didn't care much that there seemed to be a discrepancy in the frame numbers on this site and in my book, because I can always use the keyword to look things up. However, it then occurred to me that if this site says that "overnight" is frame 147 (which it does), but in my book it is 158 (which it is), then that means that somewhere between frame 1 and 158 I have studied 11 kanji that I (presumably) can't review on this (awesome) website. That's not a HUGE deal, but it's a legitimate discrepancy, especially when I'm now at frame 750 in my book ("stiff"), which shows up as frame 695 when I look it up by keyword on this site. That means that I'm now missing 55 characters in my review with no reasonable way of know which ones are gone. That also means that if I enter frame 750 to add new cards, that I'll likely get 55 upcoming characters that I haven't studied, which doesn't fit with how Heisig intended the studying to work (which is how I'm trying to study).

Also, I don't really know what everyone is talking about when they say "font," but it sounds like you mean the so-called "primitive elements"--those non-kanji that Heisig introduces independently with a star rather than a number because they aren't kanji, but they are commonly occurring components. If that's what you mean, it seems like the author of this site has (wisely) chosen not to include those at all, so I'm not clear on what the question is there. Perhaps someone could clarify, if I'm wrong.

Finally, I don't feel like many of the responses on this thread were very productive at all (Thora is obviously an exception as (s)he tried to address the problem--I haven't read the linked thread yet to know if that answers my concerns, I'm afraid. Sorry). Again, I'm new here, but if you just have something rude to say (and I include the OP in this), then take Thumper's mom's advice and "don't say anything at all." This should be a positive, cooperative community of learners, not a place to take shots at people anonymously.

Sorry if that was too preachy at the end.

First:  I appreciate the site and the work Fabrice has put into it.  I've made a few small donations; it's probably time for another one.

Question:  I am a little confused by this thread.  I have been planning on going back to RTK.  Kanji has always been my downfall.  I will be out of my own country and in a non-English and non-Japanese speaking country for a year or so.  This seemed like a good time to concentrate on Kanji.  Hence, my plan to return to RTK.  I don't have RTK version 6 and would rather not have to buy it.  Are the versions that different, or is the problem mainly the numbering?

Someone using the new book could take a list of the kanji and  enter chunks of them as desired in Custom Add. You don't have to enter by number. There are  lists of the RTK1+2010 additions in the forum. (Perhaps also on the Add page?)

I changed "font" in my earlier post to "form" to avoid confusion. Anyone with the latest version will see that Heisig gives 2 forms for some kanji. (if book = supplement)

Which kanji form appears depends on the font and age of what you're using (system, book).  Some previously official simplified forms now officially use their unsimplified forms, so both forms are available.  As Jarvik explained, for any kanji that Heisig simplified on his own, that form would be unavailable.

I'd suggest just ignoring all that  :-)  and using the now official unsimplified forms (noting the variation in primitive form.)

KanjiKami wrote:

However, from the sound of some responses, it looks like this site HAS added the new characters (it apparently has over 3,000 now, which is way more than in the book), so they can still be studied. Or, for a short answer, I don't think you have any reason to buy a new book. I just got this one because it was the most recent.

Most of the new kanji were covered in RTK3, which is included in this website, and the ones that were not were added to the end, after frame 3007. The numbers will be different though - Fuaburisu has said a few weeks (or months?) ago that he was working on this.

Goldom wrote:

Book does not = supplement. Heisig has ditched all unsimplified forms from the supplement. So the book, as of v6, has some kanji that he basically made up.

I corrected this in my book with the supplement and a pencil.

Perhaps we could all benefit from exemples, so we could say if the students have a reason to worry about this or not.

Last edited by gdaxeman (2011 August 06, 7:29 pm)