Don't worry, the link between keyword and kanji isn't important; the main point of RTK is to familiarise yourself with the actual symbols so that you can attach Japanese words/readings to them more easily. If your seeing kanji and thinking "I know that", then thats enough.

The only real us I have for the keywords is for use in mnemonics.

I tried regular Lazy Kanji.
I ended up quitting for a little while because I couldn't recall the keyword[s].
The Mod is pretty much the same thing but even easier.

Don't put the Kanji on the front, put it on the back. You want it to be moderately challenging so you remember it.

FRONT:
For STANDING on the woman's MOUTH, the rich businessman was ordered to pay her ___ in SHELLFISH.

BACK:
compensation
賠

Modify it to suit you.
Again, I do not recommend putting the Kanji in the front.

Sometimes, if the card is hard to remember I do this:
FRONT:
CLAM, STANDING
~~~~MOUTH
For STANDING on the woman's MOUTH, the rich businessman was ordered to pay her ___ in SHELLFISH.

Generally, I did that ^^^ in the last 300 Kanji because I rushed through the cards.

Last edited by mark95427 (2011 June 07, 7:47 pm)

I've been through similar times of no practice.  I would just sit down and do the RTK1 (ir Anki) reviews, as I've done in the past.  I'm down about 1300 Anki cards right now (across 4 decks).

THank Khatz for the Method and Kendo for the mod.

The Kanji isn't on the front, it is in the same color as the card and can only be revealed by hovering over it. Basically you have the fill-in sentence with the primitives, that's all.

I agree with nest0r.  This doesn't look all that easy, and I think reviewing Lazy Kanji cards takes longer than reviewing regular RTK cards.

You have to read the story and then recall the association, kind of like a cross-word puzzle.  With RTK, usually as soon as I see the keyword, the visual story flashes in my mind and I write the kanji.

The 'Lazy Kanji Mod V2' deck is also missing the stroke count - which I personally check all the time when reviewing.

Last edited by vosmiura (2011 June 08, 10:57 am)

There's a lot of information available by clicking links, but I don't want to click links and be redirected to a webpage just to check the stroke count, since I check it every time I review.  It's especially slow if using a mobile device like I usually do for reviewing.

Usually I write the kanji with my finger in my palm while counting strokes, then glance at the kanji and check the stroke count.  Wrong stroke count is an instant check that I wrote the wrong primitive or missed one completely.

It should be possible to add the stroke counts from one of the other decks.  I like the basic "Heisigs Remember the Kanji" shared deck that I have my stories in, but there are a number of other good options.  The "Super Heisig" deck uses stroke-order fonts so you can see the stroke order on the card.

Last edited by vosmiura (2011 June 08, 11:24 am)

Here's what I originally wrote about lazy kanji: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?p … 71#p131471

“I think it's inferior because it's recognition rather than active recall despite active recall being perfect for learning single kanji, and because it seems too focused on 'words', too superficial. But I'm basing that off skimming various comments about 'lazy kanji'.”

To get the benefits of developing your iconic knowledge of the kanji, optimize spaced retrieval, desirable difficulty, etc., you don't want to give yourself the answer to how to visualize and construct the kanji from the primitives on the front of the card, nor do you want to memorize the keyword (why would you do that?) by making that the target information. The primitive framework ought to occupy a nebulous space as a primarily conceptual and secondarily textual scaffolding, a supplementary abstraction that is triggered by an eventually-backgrounded keyword (hence its use as a cue), that allows you to bring the kanji to mind in an instant. Doing it kanji to keyword, using shallow mnemonics, sticking stuff on the front, that can seem easier in the short-term, but you're just cheating yourself and you'll end up spending more time repeating stuff and taking longer to make it into robust knowledge.

Ultimately I think it comes down to active recall. For other recent rambles and references on that: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?p … 73#p140273 (especially the bit about ‘weak’ cues being superior)

Last edited by nest0r (2011 June 08, 5:20 pm)

I checked out the RTK-Ultima, looks nice.
But there's no way to check the story or any other way on the front to aid in
constructing the Kanji. All I get is the keyword and a lot of readings.

On the back there's the Kanji, I guess the used primitives in red and 1 or two stories...
dunno. Amidoinitwrong?

You can change the layout of the cards if you want the stories on the front. Put themn in white text if you want them hidden.

After going through 800 reviews in two days with the RTK-Ultima deck, what I can say about lazy kanji mod v2 is...

My retention was quite high up there, but some primitives weren't properly sticked to the appropriate keyword, because there was no real need to remember a kind of story and instead rely on the sentences. Because I went through those 800 with lazy kanji within a week before, it helped me a bunch and is definitely usable, but for a first-time I'd still stick to RTK the heisig way. What can I say, RTK somehow lays a realy solid base.

Time to hurry up, take my time and finish the book, so I can start learning Japanese.
Evil Anki will bombard me with reviews :3

Edit: Whoa, I just came to the Kanji for "sue", which I merely learned once (close before I stopped RTK for several months), and upon seeing the keyword, I immediately thought: WORDS said in PUBLIC can get you sued!
It triggered in a split second, I never ran a review for that. Short "stories" like that work a lot for me.
This kinda thing happens quite often. Powerful stuff, I'm surprised again and again.

Last edited by Revenant (2011 June 10, 5:51 pm)