Tori-kun wrote:

ta12121 wrote:

To be honest, I'd say you can study for a few hours a day but immerse for hours and hours on end. That's what I did for the first year of studying. Worked really well so far but, you definitely need breaks in-between.

Can't tell, but with me it's at last like that I can't hear the "kawaiiii!~" shout outs after 5 minutes any longer, these high frequencies of female voices is so penetrating, yak. Can't find anything I'd like listen to. I lose interest quite quickly when I don't understand anything. Comparable to Ukrainian TV my parents are watching. As long as it's Russian it's fine, but sometimes they have shows in Ukrainian. After a while I give up and just leave. What to do? Subs2SRS is working pretty well, but though, progress seems to be sooo slow compared to my reading skills T_T I wonder how you did the part of "production", ta. After core6k I will prolly switch my card layout to kana->kanji, in order to be able to write more kanji again

haha. I still find those squeaking high-pitched voices annoying. I tend to listen to a lot of guy talk. Although there are a lot of jp girls that have a low-tone voiced(not a male's voice, just not high-pitched. Makes it easier on the ears.)

For the production type cards. I do kana to kanji in my production deck(so far it has kana where I test myself based of sound and vocab words(kana to kanji as I do active recall). Plus you add the RTK keywords into that mix(I actually delete quite a lot of keywords that are not common/don't really have a good meaning in English).

My new srs pace is taking 45mins now. 3 decks. With an average of 300-500 reps per day. A huge difference from 1000-1500 I used to do. It saves a lot of time in the long-run. 20% srsing vs 80% immersion.

ta12121 wrote:

dizmox wrote:

I'd feel like killing myself studying so much.

That's why we need to make it fun. Otherwise it's game over

Except SRSing is never fun.

Oniichan wrote:

A tip that has been very useful to me has been to learn how to make a conversation flow with "connectors"  http://sites.google.com/site/fluentczec … alintimacy and http://sites.google.com/site/fluentczec … tarterpack

This looks rather handy. Perhaps one could propose an equivalent list in Japanese — this is beyond my current abilities, though

KMDES wrote:

And of course, when it comes to Anki, you get to repeat those same cards every 8 hours until you decide to just delete the damn program because who wants to do the same card every 8 hours for months and months on end?

Every 8 hours?

Last edited by nest0r (2011 May 12, 2:21 pm)

nest0r wrote:

KMDES wrote:

And of course, when it comes to Anki, you get to repeat those same cards every 8 hours until you decide to just delete the damn program because who wants to do the same card every 8 hours for months and months on end?

Every 8 hours?

Every 8 hours.

It's the curse of Anki. No matter what button I press. No matter what I set the settings at. No matter what, it's review time in 8 hours or less. Doesn't matter if it says it'll be 8 days. Doesn't matter if says 1.8 months. In 8 hours, it will be review time. Maybe only 80 right now, but this time tomorrow it will be 800. If left for just 2 days, it will be the whole deck. Even if set manually to be reviewed in 15 days, it will not wait that long. You'll be reviewing it before you know it.

The curse of Anki.

jettyke: I drink coffee already. I also tend to forget to drink it on weekends. And sometimes I forget to drink it for weeks or months. I don't stop, I just forget to drink. It doesn't really make me study faster though, but I think I can understand spoken Japanese better on caffeine.

Tried, tried and tried. I've uninstalled Anki, but apparently when it installs it installs into the deepest areas of your harddrive which doesn't unistall when you unistall it. It does this with every deck I've ever used, resetted or not. It even still does it after I reinstall a new OS. Somehow it must pull the settings from somewhere that I'm not seeing. Or maybe it's because I use 64bit OSes. I figured that hey, maybe it'll be fixed once it reaches version 1.0, but no such luck.

Now imagine, after taking 5 months to do RTK1 and adding something like 10-20 cards a day to have to review 1000+ reviews every time you open Anki? That's not my idea of fun.

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KMDES wrote:

ta12121 wrote:

KMDES wrote:

Except SRSing is never fun.

It's addicting for me. The thought about having so much knowledge for the long-term with only studying a few minutes per day is quite amazing. I've found that you need to spice up what you put into that thing. Rare/fun vocab/interesting and fun sentences. Something enjoyable for you keep to learning and learning. Or maybe it's only fun for me or at least interesting to do.

Sentences, words etc and only interesting if they have something interesting behind them.

This is true. That's why you should use subs2srs to study your favorite lines of your favorite characters in your favorite shows.

KMDES wrote:

And honestly who wants to read 'Hippos sweat pink sweat' in Japanese 20 times even though it was interesting the first time?

20 times???
I randomly grabbed a few hundred cards from a deck: I've only done 4-6 reps for them and the intervals ranged from 1.5months to 1.4years, with well over half being >6months.  I rarely mark as 4/easy, too.

Funny/badass/awesome lines stay that way even if you repeat them 6 times.

KMDES wrote:

Tried, tried and tried. I've uninstalled Anki, but apparently when it installs it installs into the deepest areas of your harddrive which doesn't unistall when you unistall it. It does this with every deck I've ever used, resetted or not. It even still does it after I reinstall a new OS. Somehow it must pull the settings from somewhere that I'm not seeing. Or maybe it's because I use 64bit OSes. I figured that hey, maybe it'll be fixed once it reaches version 1.0, but no such luck.

on win XP Anki stores stuff in:
* My Docs\Anki
# decks
* C:\Documents and Settings\userName\Application Data\.anki
# backups, plugins, preferences, config

on linux Anki stores stuff in:
* ~/.anki
# everything

KMDES wrote:

Even subs2srs is pretty boring. Sure, the lines are interesting when you watch the show, but you're not watching the show, you're studying the lines from a show, which in turn causes me to hate the show. Once you've had Anki show you the same opening lines 2+ times every day, it just doesn't become fun to watch anymore.

Also, Win7 Ultimate 64Bit.

Again, unless you're doing something wrong / have a broken SRS, you'll only see the same line a handful of times over the course of the first year, and intervals past that point are so long that they're basically never seen again.

Also, your subs2srs deck could have video clips on the question side and a lot of context sentences before and after the one being tested, so you're more or less watching the show in small pieces..

@KMDES

I'm not sure why you keep saying ‘you’—the problems and responses you're describing are singular and extreme, so it should be ‘I’ or ‘me’, no? ^_^

nest0r wrote:

@KMDES

I'm not sure why you keep saying ‘you’—the problems and responses you're describing are singular and extreme, so it should be ‘I’ or ‘me’, no? ^_^

Just the way I say things. You/You'll is meant as a different kind of reference for myself, sort like a third person thing.

Also, I do experience 'flow' but it's when I play guitar or play video games, or reading. Not so much when I'll study.
Also, last time I tried to subs2srs a new show, it sure didn't turn out good ripping-wise. >_>

"You'll get up in the morning, sure. You'll buy your Swiffer, eat some granola and stare at your lazy, Hanes-wearing boyfriend watching Jerry Springer on the couch."

An example I randomly pulled from google. Obviously the person is talking about themselves, as they probably don't mean every boyfriend is a 'Hanes-wearing boyfriend watching Jerry Springer on the couch'. So, I'm not the only one who does it! >: O

The way you did that last post sure reminds me of Index, KM as KM points out in a very obvious way that that is unusual.

But Anki is the one with all the neat features, premade decks and is free, KM as KM explains why a new program might not suit him.

I have tried out another program, the open source one, but I didn't find it very good, KM as KM says as he wonders if there's anything else out there besides Supermemo.

jettyke wrote:

matto wrote:

That means, the Heisig method saved me between 1150-2050 hours and took around 1/10th of the time that other methods would need.

Could the same be done for learning a language such that you can learn it in just 10% of the time as traditional study methods?  If it were possible, how would setup a system?

No it didn't take you 10 times faster,

you only studied how to write and recognize them, but you know nothing about on yomi, kun yomi, all kinds of word compounds, reading kanji.

I agree with this. The original poster should not be so naive to assume that just because he partially memorized how to write 2046 kanji with just one meaning, that he has actually mastered Kanji. Once you arrive in Japan, you will quickly realize that you are still almost completely illiterate. The most common Kanji have tons of variations in meanings, depending on the context, there are many Kanji to be seen that fall outside of RTK1, and mastering the reading will keep you occupied for a long time.

Sure, do your best to simplify things, but don't get carried away...