tnattawat
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From: Osaka
Registered: 2010-10-26
Posts: 21
First, I would like to thank those who help me with my core2000. Your suggestions were very useful and I finally managed to get those 2000 words done. I'm going to start doing core6000 today. But to be honest I can't help but doubt how far I can actually keep this going. I now quite tired of knowing only meaning of words but not being able to use or sometimes recognize them even (please note that I did actually look for several sentence examples for each word when studying, although I prefer reviewing in pure vocab manner). So I am looking for something else that I can do along the side of my vocab study, mainly to give me some purpose to cram piles of words everyday, and also for improving my listening and speaking.
I have come across an idea of SHADOWING and in fact got a book "Shadowing: Let's speak Japanese" for quite a while already. It's a great book and I enjoy it. I put the audio in my mp3 player and listen to it as much as I can everyday. Perhaps because of this, I have actually remembered some phrases in the first two chapters by heart and find them very handy when speaking (I live in Japan by the way). However, I feel that the book is too small, the conversation is very short (I need something longer to feel the context I guess), and the content covered is very limited and sometimes repetitive (which is entirely bad I do realize). Now I am looking for other books. Are there some other books or free online resources that are as good or maybe better? I have heard of Assimil and linguaphone, any comment? And for example with Assimil, can I just skip to the second book, since I have finished Genki 2 already? (the book is quite expensive).
Also I am looking for other methods to improve my ability to recognize the words I have crammed (I guess basically to give me the purpose to do core6000). Does anyone has come across other useful methods especially for listening and speaking? For reading I have tried reading manga (e.g. Conan) but find it quite difficult still. So now I am reading Graded Reader level 4. It is very easy and I love it. But I also want to move on, so I wonder what kind of book I should read that is between Graded Reader and manga.
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. I promise I will study very hard.
Last edited by tnattawat (2011 February 11, 11:20 pm)
tnattawat
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From: Osaka
Registered: 2010-10-26
Posts: 21
Second book? oh I didn't know there is a second one! I will check that out. Does the second book cover a wider range of situation? I feel this is what the book lacks. I really like this book in that it helps cementing different grammar points that I learned in Genki, but I feel that I need other books as well to fill this gap. Please comment.
Last edited by tnattawat (2011 February 11, 11:46 pm)
rachels
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From: Australia
Registered: 2008-06-06
Posts: 110
You could try shadowing with the core sentences. I hope haven't misunderstood the concept of shadowing, because I don't have any of the specific 'shadowing' books. However, what I do is go through the core words in an Anki deck. (corePLUS shared deck), going from sound to English meaning, then on the back of each card I have the Japanese sentence, written and audio (the english sentence, I have printed in white text on a white background so I don't have to see it). Most often, when I have time, or I an not in public, I repeat the sentence once or twice. I find this quite useful. After a while the sentence patterns become ingrained and the patterns can be re-used, when constructing your own sentences. It also gives useful context for the words you are actually learning. The sentences aren't too long or complicated, which could be seen as a good or a bad thing, and you won't learn much about joining sentences together. But since you seem to be doing a vocabulary deck anyway, you could easily try this in addition to other listening.
inertia
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From: Japan
Registered: 2009-11-09
Posts: 19
I've been using the Shadowing books since March. I finished book 1 and am about 1/3 of the way through book 2. I use simple Anki cards in order to help myself remember to do it daily and review older dialogues. Just plain text cards with the audio track information, no multimedia effects. I leave the audio files as regular MP3s to play in my usual audio software because a lot of the material feels like tongue-twisters at first and I like being able to easily pause/rewind/repeat tricky parts.
My experience is that within the first week I noticed an immediate improvement in my pronunciation and fluidity in real-life conversation, and there are a few patterns creeping into my speech now that I didn't use before. The beginning was very encouraging, but the rate of improvement quickly dropped off. Most likely I'm continuing to improve, just it's so gradual that I can't see it myself any more. However, if I miss a day of shadowing, it's painfully obvious that I'm worse the next day. So I keep doing it in order not to suck more than I have to.
I've also gotten better at reading casual speech. Like interviews or manga dialogues with mumbly-style pronunciation instead of textbook spelling, or abbreviated expressions.
After I finish Shadowing 2 I'll probably try doing the audio in the 聞いて覚える話し方 日本語生中継 series.
http://nihongo.9640.jp/66
My language teacher recommended these books for listening practice, but I think they'll do for shadowing as well.
Cranks
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Registered: 2010-10-21
Posts: 477
I'd do Subs2srs cards and read or speak along with the actor. Otherwise, you can shadow anything. I used to shadow anything on TV. It was hard at first, but after awhile you get the trick of being about 0.5 of a second or more behind the speaker and your ability improves. Also, Doramon or anything for kids is a good start. You would have to work over the TV show a bit, but it's possible (the TV to you version is only for pronunciation, rhythm and tone depending on your level.)