cbJisho - E-J Dictionary Based on Word Frequency

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Reply #51 - 2013 June 24, 10:14 pm
louischa Member
From: montreal Registered: 2010-09-06 Posts: 132

@しーびー:
あなたは発奮させるすごい人ですね。御苦労様。

Reply #52 - 2013 June 24, 11:31 pm
louischa Member
From: montreal Registered: 2010-09-06 Posts: 132

@CB:

I just examined the file from your not-yet-released program, and I have the following suggestion:

At character Heisig X, it is far too restrictive to try to generate words only composed of characters 1 to X; the Heisig order is too different from the natural character frequency order for that. Hadamitzky and Spahn do restrict their words to 1 - X in their book "Kanji & Kana", but they can do so only because they present the kanji in a frequency-based order. Naturally, then you allow for that condition to be broken, as for instance in line 18 of your output, at which none of the kanji with 冒 are to be found before it. That is discouraging to a learner and defeats the purpose of the list.

Have instead the user specify a range 1 - R among which words including X < R could use any kanji from 1 to R, not only from 1 to X.

This would allow people to do Heisig in steps, namely alternating between learning kanji and learning real Japanese words. For instance, a hypothetical learner could push up to Heisig 1000, then take a break from kanji learning and use your tool to generate words to reinforce all characters previously studied. Obviously R would need to be large enough to allow for generating a nice word repertoire.

Then that hypothetical learner would push for 500 more, re-use your tool this time with R = 1500, etc. This learning in steps would be better, and perhaps would prevent the phenomenon of people doing Heisig once, forgetting it all, and having to re-do it again.

In the event where no viable combination occurs with elements within 1 - R, then you just output nothing.

御苦労様。

Last edited by louischa (2013 June 24, 11:37 pm)

Reply #53 - 2013 June 25, 1:36 am
Inny Jan Member
From: Cichy Kącik Registered: 2010-03-09 Posts: 720

... and yet some people learn in a seemingly random order – as in, let’s say you want to read this NHK News:

震災の被害を受けた宮城県の子どもに雪のプレゼント

and as a matter of course, you want to use mnemonics for:
雪震被受災害宮城県子

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Reply #54 - 2013 June 25, 8:02 pm
cb4960 Member
From: Los Angeles Registered: 2007-06-22 Posts: 917

@louischa:

I'll try to make an option to accommodate this.

@Inny Jan:

I'll try to make the program more general by allowing user provided lists of kanji to use. I'll just package a few default lists such as one for RTK kanji and another with kanji sorted by frequency.