"Fail" option under Study

shaydwyrm Member

From: Boston Registered: 2007-04-26 Posts: 178 Website

When I'm reviewing, I find that I often get into a groove where I'm hitting every character, one after another, moving very quickly. This causes me two problems.

1) When I try to recall certain characters outside of reviewing, it is considerably harder. There is a degree to which all my RTK stories are linked in my mind, so the simple act of sitting down to review them is a great memory aid. When I fail to recall a character outside of reviewing, I'd still like to be able to move it to the Failed box here, so that I can give it some extra attention and make sure the connotations of my story are correct.

2) Sometimes, when moving quickly through my expired stack, I will be absolutely sure I remember a character, write it down, and then hit Space-Y before the character's image has really registered in my head. On some occasions, I realize a moment too late that I confused it with a similar keyword (most recently this happened with 掃 and 洗). I'd like to be able to manually go back and mark these failed as well, since these are often the stories that need the most refinement.

I'm not sure how big a problem this is for other people, but for me it would be nice to have a "Fail" button on the study page, so that I could go back and manually put kanji into my failed box in these situations. I can also imagine that this would be useful if there are some RTK kanji you are simply not interested in learning - you could then manually remove these from your reviewing cycle.

suffah Member

From: New York Registered: 2006-09-14 Posts: 261

I used to have your problem, mainly because I became too dependent on the words with the same primitives. I would study the words from wordlists in perfect Heisig sequence which didn't help at all. My fail rate was hovering around 80% when reviewing thanks to this.

I solved this problem when I started reviewing my words out of sequence. I always study new words for 3 days before adding them to my stack, and studying them in random order has been huge for me. I recommend using Semuel's http://rtk.semuel.co.il/test_pages.html to test. My failure rate is very low now and can't wait to "clean up" the remaining Kanji that I didn't learn properly the first time.

Mighty_Matt Member

From: Koga Registered: 2006-07-18 Posts: 197 Website

I also am guilty of hitting Y before noticing that I've actually missed something when writing down the kanji. Perhaps there could be a little box somewhere which shows you the previous kanji and would let you change the grade (Y, N, E) in case you pressed the wrong thing...

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Megaqwerty Member

Registered: 2007-04-05 Posts: 318

Mighty_Matt wrote:
Perhaps there could be a little box somewhere which shows you the previous kanji and would let you change the grade (Y, N, E) in case you pressed the wrong thing...

Aye. It's not too much of a problem when going from keyword to kanji, but when I review kanji to keyword, I move much faster and accidentally saying "Yes!"happens quite a few times.

cangy Member

From: 平安京 Registered: 2006-12-13 Posts: 372 Website

Yes please! Short of an undo function, the next best thing (actually, perhaps of more general use) would be a fail button on the study page.

narafan Member

Registered: 2007-05-30 Posts: 66

Bump - It happens to me too.
Fail button would be nice

Ramchip Member

From: Canada Registered: 2006-09-22 Posts: 108

Mighty_Matt wrote:
I also am guilty of hitting Y before noticing that I've actually missed something when writing down the kanji. Perhaps there could be a little box somewhere which shows you the previous kanji and would let you change the grade (Y, N, E) in case you pressed the wrong thing...

That sounds like a great idea. My problem is the opposite; N is just over the space key and sometimes while reviewing I mean to hit only the space bar but end up hitting space+N... which fails the card. A 'repeat' button could also do the trick by loading the last card in its previous state.

Megaqwerty Member

Registered: 2007-04-05 Posts: 318

Ramchip wrote:
My problem is the opposite; N is just over the space key and sometimes while reviewing I mean to hit only the space bar but end up hitting space+N... which fails the card.

Ditto: this happens to me a lot, really annoying with cards that are in the last pile, too.

misha Member

From: Sydney Registered: 2007-04-05 Posts: 99

Bump. It just happened to me again. I think the fail button in study mode is an excellent idea.

ZorgBlub New member

From: Belgium Registered: 2008-05-25 Posts: 1

Rebump... I happened to be in the same case.

It would be great and probably doesn't need much implementation efforts.

dat5h Member

From: Tokyo Registered: 2008-07-15 Posts: 160 Website

In addition to your idea of a "Fail" button on the study page (which would be amazing). I might add that it would be nice to have a "next failed" button added to failed kanji in addition to the "learned" button.

skinnyneo Member

Registered: 2007-03-07 Posts: 148

I also agree! An undo button or "failed last kanji" button would be great for the review part of the site!

Last edited by skinnyneo (2008 July 27, 11:55 pm)

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