Am I doing things wrong?

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Reply #1 - 2010 June 16, 1:58 pm
Zon70 Member
From: USA Registered: 2010-05-25 Posts: 89

I've been using anki and have the Keyword and story(not hidden) on the front and then the kanji on the back. However, I have been relying quite a lot on the story to recall the keyword, and if I only see the keyword I usually can't remember the kanji, does that mean I should focus less on the story(maybe even hiding it?) and more on the keyword. The thing is, I can remember the stroke order easily, and once I see the story with the keyword and the primitives that are in it, 9 out of 10 times I can write the kanji perfectly, but if I only see the keyword I would say 5 out of 10 times I have no idea what the kanji is?

Reply #2 - 2010 June 16, 2:14 pm
unauthorized Member
Registered: 2009-08-04 Posts: 64

Don't put your primitives on the front of the card. Anything else is up to your personal style of learning. The goal is to remember the kanji, not to tie them to some obscure, and often very misleading English words. Add whatever you need to get that kanji out of your memory, weather it's stories, pictures, video or something else. Just don't put anything that hints at the kanji elements, and you can be sure that you are recalling it from memory. As long the character remains in your head, you are doing it the right way.

You will eventually realize that Hesing keywords are more of a hindrance when it comes to studying real Japanese words with them.

Last edited by unauthorized (2010 June 16, 2:16 pm)

Reply #3 - 2010 June 16, 3:15 pm
Zon70 Member
From: USA Registered: 2010-05-25 Posts: 89

no primitives in the front of the card? how am i supposed to remember the strokes without knowing the primitives?

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Reply #4 - 2010 June 16, 3:23 pm
aphasiac Member
From: 台湾 Registered: 2009-03-16 Posts: 1036

Zon70 wrote:

no primitives in the front of the card? how am i supposed to remember the strokes without knowing the primitives?

You're meant to memorise the story (which contains the primatives)

Reply #5 - 2010 June 16, 3:24 pm
pm215 Member
From: UK Registered: 2008-01-26 Posts: 1354

Zon70 wrote:

no primitives in the front of the card? how am i supposed to remember the strokes without knowing the primitives?

The idea is that you start with a keyword, which causes you to remember a story, which has the keywords for the primitives, which is what you need to write the kanji. The whole point (and the whole difficult thing) is to come up with a story which is memorable enough that just seeing the keyword causes you to remember it and thus the set of primitives...

Reply #6 - 2010 June 16, 3:25 pm
Javizy Member
From: England Registered: 2007-02-16 Posts: 770

The story essentially is the character, and it's what you need to be able to recall from memory. You're giving away the answer on the question side, which is why you can't remember the characters from the keyword. Heisig himself suggests the keyword-character model, and it's how all the shared decks are made as well. Who told you to review from the story?

Reply #7 - 2010 June 16, 3:42 pm
Zon70 Member
From: USA Registered: 2010-05-25 Posts: 89

Javizy wrote:

The story essentially is the character, and it's what you need to be able to recall from memory. You're giving away the answer on the question side, which is why you can't remember the characters from the keyword. Heisig himself suggests the keyword-character model, and it's how all the shared decks are made as well. Who told you to review from the story?

Well, from reading lesson..I think it was 5? Where he gives an example of a flashcard he has notes on there(with primitives) on the same side with the keyword, so I must have read that as having the story, instead of just notes to give you hints...but i dont do kanji-keyword, i do keyword-kanji, its just that the story is on the side with the keyword...

Reply #8 - 2010 June 16, 3:50 pm
aphasiac Member
From: 台湾 Registered: 2009-03-16 Posts: 1036

In Heisig's example card, I seem to remember the notes/story was upside down, so you couldn't use it to cheat when reviewing?

Really the whole point of RtK is keyword -> recalled story -> write kanji. eventually the stories drop away, and the keywords are replaced with actual Japanese words.

Stories aren't written down when you come across kanji in the wild, so you have to memorise them; remove them from the fronts of your cards and start reviewing that way.

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