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Was this an April fools?
kendo99 wrote:
Yonosa, I don't really have qualms about the dishonesty so much, although in retro-spect it makes a lousy situation lousier. But, as others have pointed out, you would possibly be breaking laws, damaging her reputation, etc for a situation essentially caused by jumping into bed with someone without finding out first what their expectations for the relationship were. And I'm not ragging on the guy. But he's more in the bad than she is here. Probably more from ignorance/not thinking the situation through than harboring any actual malicious intent.
But, still... He dated a student, let the relationship get intimate, without making his own expectations/intentions known from the start. It's a learning experience. I had a bunch of them in my teens and early twenties. So, I can't really stand by the stuff I typed earlier without giving any serious thought to what I was saying. It's bad advice, plain and simple, and an honest approach with full acceptance of the consequences is going to be in the poster's best self-interest in the long run. Legally, emotionally and ethically.
Oh, no i am not talking in direct support of what that earlier post had suggested. I am jut saying that sometimes dihonesty is better for everyone. But in this situation, unless there was some clause not to date students or you will be fired then I probably would just be like yo, you're a bit too zealous for me so I'm gonna call it quits on this. But if my job depended on it there is a decent chance I would find some dishonest way to keep my job and lose the girl, and I guess that's just me being honest, although I would try to find a way in which noone is shamed by the situation. But likely the woman might try to play revenge games or something, and in that case since I wouldnt qualm too much over just trying to keep my job and get out of the situation even if she would be somewhat hurt over it.
***Most importantly, everyone here seems to suggest that the guy did something wrong here?! Unless there is some clause that states he should not date students at his school than he has not done anything wrond. Also, even if such clause existed the only thing he has done wrong is to break a part of his contract at which point he would have to consider some action to resolve the conflict at work or find new employment. Matters that would only be between him and his employer. But when it comes to just the relationship aspect of it from my opinion I doubt that the woman was talking about marriage and other things until after their night together, and that would likely be when the man became uncomfortable. I highly doubt he had openly suggested such ideas to her before their night together, or in order to have a night together, in most situations talking about such things would guarantee a man to not get the woman imo.
So assuming he did not suggest these ideas or ideas of a long term relationship to her, then up to that point their night together was seen as mutually beneficial, they both enjoyed each others company together and decided to be intimate. To say that the man had malice intentions from the start is incorrect even if his intentions were only to have sex with the girl, if his opinions had been that she had been open to the idea and also saw it as mutually beneficial than he can not be judged wrong from the beginning. ALso from the girl's perspective if the information had not been shared of his intentions for just a short term relationship and she had assumed something else, than both of the individuals were acting in order to satisfy their own needs with the information they had available at that point before they became intimate.
Although afterwards their opinions may have changed and they would have preferred to not have done what they did the night prior, the fact still stands that 2 consenting adults made rational decisions with what they believed to be accurate information. So in my opinions its alright, it's just unfortunate that it turns out that their presumptions were a bit inaccurate haha. But then again if lies were told and one person's thinking was manipulated by falsehoods than I think someone made themselves a bit of a unfair profit, but then again that's how free market capitalism should ideally be instead of how our corrupt corporate government guaranteed monopoly system is... wait, what am I talking about again...
Edited by 風: Added line breaks
Last edited by Yonosa (2010 April 04, 9:24 am)
Yonosa wrote:
Oh, no i am not talking in direct support of what that earlier post had suggested. I am jut saying that sometimes dihonesty is better for everyone. But in this situation, unless there was some clause not to date students or you will be fired then I probably would just be like yo, you're a bit too zealous for me so I'm gonna call it quits on this.<snip wall of text>
There is ALWAYS a clause forbidding any social contact with students. It is to avoid situations like this, and also to prevent you from teaching them privately & skipping the middleman (the school).
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2010 April 05, 10:44 am)
Jarvik7 wrote:
Yonosa wrote:
Oh, no i am not talking in direct support of what that earlier post had suggested. I am jut saying that sometimes dihonesty is better for everyone. But in this situation, unless there was some clause not to date students or you will be fired then I probably would just be like yo, you're a bit too zealous for me so I'm gonna call it quits on this.<snip wall of text>
Tthere is ALWAYS a clause forbidding any social contact with students. It is to avoid situations like this, and also to prevent you from teaching them privately & skipping the middleman (the school).
Actually it would be interesting to see how the clause would be written. But anyways, more than anything that would be an issue between him and his employer. As far as looking at the situation as that "he took advantage of her" or some similar viewpoint in completely incorrect unless he blatantly lied to begin with. And I find that many women have suggested this opinion to me in the past because they had different assumptions than I have had in relationships, they fact is if that information is unknown to both parties and they acted rationally to do something in their own self interest than no one is in the wrong for it.
Lol where has this thread gone...
Anyway, seriously just talk to the woman. This is so painful to read you refusing to be reasonable. I mean really she's just trying to make your life easier in case you were wondering who you'd be having a life-long relationship with including kids.
mezbup wrote:
What I don't get is some foreigners complete lack of understanding of capital letters.
You wouldn't use capital letters either if you had to type your correspondence on a 10-key phone keypad with no predictive text.
jacf29 wrote:
"it seems that you found things not in common between us. but we just begun. you'll see more of me as time goes by. keep dating with me"
This isn't creepy. It's a girl with a mediocre grasp of English saying she likes you. Stop being a wuss.
@kendo99, no need to be so apologetic. No ones knows the whole story and it's easy to react emotionally. If you hadn't said anything, I'd have just taken it as amusing in a Machiavellian way - like J7's fake-death-swap-twin scheme.
At any rate, I removed my references to the deleted post.
Go easy on the OP, he's figuring stuff out. I bet he'll renew his vow of 100% immersion (thanks for memory jog, Nest0r) which will rule out Eikaiwa students in the future. And that massive bill must've been a hard lesson in responsibility. ouch
@Yonoso, I don't think any reactions to your opinions (or any opinions) divide so neatly along gender lines. I agree with J7 that our understanding is a mix of all our direct and vicarious experience. For eg, I learn lots about women from my close male friends. We take in all these views, filter them for experience, age, stupidity, religion, etc. and end up with a blob of personal awareness and empathy. That some like-minded folks choose to gather together doesn't say anything about what all women think.
it's been interesting - I'm no longer an internet relationship discussion virgin. :-)
Thora wrote:
Also, try to be straight up with women from the outset and assume they are rational creatures. You might be surprised how cool we are.
I've lost count of how many times that reasonable bit of advice blew up in my face...
gfb345 wrote:
Thora wrote:
Also, try to be straight up with women from the outset and assume they are rational creatures. You might be surprised how cool we are.
I've lost count of how many times that reasonable bit of advice blew up in my face...
same here. I guess it varies between people. Being up front in the beginning isn't the best course of action. But later on, it's best to do so.
@kendo99, no need to be so apologetic. No ones knows the whole story and it's easy to react emotionally. If you hadn't said anything, I'd have just taken it as amusing in a Machiavellian way - like J7's fake-death-swap-twin scheme. At any rate, I removed my references to the deleted post.
Once I re-read things with a clear head, I was offended at what I'd said.lol. Are there circumstances where a course of action like that might be adviseable, I would say yes--I've lived through some. Sometimes I took the high road and sometimes the low. Although that particular plan was somewhat poorly thought through, I can see situations where one is in a relationship with someone who HAS truly lost it and using deception to "save-your-ass" might be the best possible choice. However, posting something like that as advice on a message board when I've read a whole two or three paragraphs about the situation was assinine and I was quite embarassed by it. The physical pain and drowsiness caused me to read my own life's experiences right into the OP's post. And clearly, even before I went to sleep I'd realized it was pretty stupid. But, anyways, the damage has been done, if anyone was offended (nest0r?) the apology proferred, and we all live with our actions--even when those actions are taken by us during moments when we aren't at our best and brightest. And, that's one good thing about the pseudo-anonymity of the internet...I won't post anything else in this thread and for me, at least, the whole stupid comment will now be done and forgotten.
Was she worth it?
Tell a superior, although, do trolls have superiors?
Does she understand English well?
Showing her this thread would be a good start.
I'm curious as to whether relationships with students are specifically prohibited in your contract. Sorry if its been mentioned before.
I think teacher student relationships are always a bad idea.
Well you live and learn...
show her pictures of your kids and wife ![]()
/trolling /avoiding reviews.
Just an update I broke up with her the up front way yesterday. I just said the truth and she accepted it. I am happy it worked.
And dating at my school is not prohibited. Only if she complains is it bad. It:s just not encouraged.
ropsta wrote:
Was she worth it?
This may just be the most important question of the post.
This is a horrible thread.
You're a horrible thread.
luv u 2 bb <3333
Jacf29 is living the dream!
In future just say that you're not ready for commitment or a long-term relationship or something. It's not hard and it keeps everything amicable. No need to think she is insane (I doubt she was actually wanting to get married to you and have babies with you right there and then) and start making up crazy lies about S&M etc. Geez, some people just seem to invite drama into their life don't they!
Last edited by Tefhel (2010 April 05, 11:07 am)
It's funny how every time I see a post like these, I always remember the end of school days, if anyone know what I mean.
Tefhel wrote:
In future just say that you're not ready for commitment or a long-term relationship or something. It's not hard and it keeps everything amicable. No need to think she is insane (I doubt she was actually wanting to get married to you and have babies with you right there and then) and start making up crazy lies about S&M etc. Geez, some people just seem to invite drama into their life don't they!
I agree. In his place I would at least have gone for the "I'm a shapeshifting lizardman and I must return to Venus" excuse. It has always worked for me in the past.
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2010 April 05, 11:31 am)
Smackle wrote:
This is a horrible thread.
...and since it has nothing to do with Japanese and the big 'crisis' is over, maybe it'd be good if the entire thread could just disappear? I somehow doubt the OP or anyone else would mind in this case.

