Dating a student. Need to break up. How?

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Reply #1 - 2010 April 03, 8:20 pm
jacf29 Member
From: St Louis MO Registered: 2007-07-23 Posts: 204

So I made the mistake maybe some people in Japan have made before.  I started dating a student at my Eikaiwa.  It seemed like a good idea at first, but then I found out this girl was insane.  She was talking about moving in together and having children on our first time together overnight.

I really need to break up with this girl, but I fear that she will complain to my Eikaiwa if I do so.  I already tried telling her I am infertile and can't have kids, that I like S&M, doing crazy stuff etc.  Didn't work.  I am out of ideas.  How can I do this in a way that doesn't come back and bite me if she complains to my school?   

This is soo bad now that I am just thinking of quitting this job so I can break up with her.  Any advice?

Reply #2 - 2010 April 03, 8:30 pm
Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

Set her up on a date with one of your friends (or enemies) :p

Reply #3 - 2010 April 03, 8:43 pm
thegeelonghellswan Member
Registered: 2008-05-15 Posts: 74

You sound like a bastard, live with it.

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Reply #4 - 2010 April 03, 8:45 pm
kazelee Rater Mode
From: ohlrite Registered: 2008-06-18 Posts: 2132 Website

jacf29 wrote:

It seemed like a good idea at first, but then I found out this girl was insane.  She was talking about moving in together and having children on our first time together overnight.

Because that's soo insane roll.

If you've already dipped in the pudding find another job. You can't predict how things will go when you break up. You screwed yourself when you... well...

Otherwise be prepared to lie your ass off. Not that it would do much. An alleged relationship has as much power as the real thing.

Reply #5 - 2010 April 03, 8:45 pm
thegeelonghellswan Member
Registered: 2008-05-15 Posts: 74

kendo99, that's some of the shittiest advice I have ever seen. Manipulative, dishonest etc... grow up.

Reply #6 - 2010 April 03, 8:50 pm
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

jacf29 wrote:

It seemed like a good idea at first, but then I found out this girl was insane.  She was talking about moving in together and having children on our first time together overnight.

Welcome to the world of asian girlfriends. Get used to it.

Reply #7 - 2010 April 03, 8:55 pm
ta12121 Member
From: Canada Registered: 2009-06-02 Posts: 3190

Tobberoth wrote:

jacf29 wrote:

It seemed like a good idea at first, but then I found out this girl was insane.  She was talking about moving in together and having children on our first time together overnight.

Welcome to the world of asian girlfriends. Get used to it.

haha. Well I can agree there.
Some of the people I've went out in the past were awesome, while some where crazy...

Reply #8 - 2010 April 03, 8:56 pm
LazyNomad Member
From: both countries Registered: 2009-03-06 Posts: 155

On the other hand, you have the chance to actually start practicing BDSM and doing crazzy stuff wink

Reply #9 - 2010 April 03, 9:09 pm
Sunflowersamurai Member
From: USA Registered: 2009-09-14 Posts: 14

never shit where you eat.

Just be honest with her and tell her you are not ready for kids or marriage. She'll probably dump you if she's desperate to have kids get married. I've met women like this, and they can be very unreasonable, but that doesn't necessarily mean she'll get you fired. If she does just look for another job lesson learned. Being deceptive might come back to bite you later on, that's why I try not to go that route. Unless she's the type that might cut you then I would do whatever it takes to save your butt first and worry about her later.

Reply #10 - 2010 April 03, 9:12 pm
thegeelonghellswan Member
Registered: 2008-05-15 Posts: 74

kendo99 wrote:

Look, I wouldn't get myself into a situation like that.  But, I did do stupid stuff when I was younger and sometimes you have to go into save-your-ass mode.  In the long run, more damage is done if he loses his job, than if she changes Eikawa's and gets dumped. I don't feel particularly sympathetic for him, but I also know that people make really stupid mistakes, get into dangerous relationships, and need to get out of them while minimizing damage.
My suggestion may seem bastardly, but really, the bastard deed was taking this girl to bed to begin with when he wasn't at all on the same wavelength as her.  And that's ok.  We learn from our stupid mistakes, it is how we form genuine relationships when we are older.

I wasn't calling you a bastard, I think your advice is bad, but the TS is the bastard, and he probably isn't a bastard, that's just me being harsh.

Weasling your way out of something isn't a learning experience. Man-ing up and copping the fall out is a learning experience IMO.

Reply #11 - 2010 April 03, 9:17 pm
jacf29 Member
From: St Louis MO Registered: 2007-07-23 Posts: 204

Thanks for all the advice.  Yeah hard part about finding another job now is the hiring season is mostly over.  Sure other places are hiring but I don't live in Tokyo and other cities its sort of hard.

Reply #12 - 2010 April 03, 9:34 pm
TheVinster Member
From: Illinois Registered: 2009-07-15 Posts: 985

She doesn't really sound that insane, why don't you just talk to her?

Reply #13 - 2010 April 03, 9:37 pm
kendo99 Member
From: TN Registered: 2010-03-08 Posts: 182 Website

thegee, yeah there is something to manning up and dealing with your mistakes, and my advice was pretty manipulative...I dunno what I would person do in the poster's situation.  It's a situation that sucks and it sucks that people do these stupid things to get into sucky situations and losing his job sucks and decieving people sucks. There isn't a good answer, but a save-my-ass instinct honed from years of remaining sane in insane environments kicked in and wanted to help...but I do see your point.

Reply #14 - 2010 April 03, 10:18 pm
thegeelonghellswan Member
Registered: 2008-05-15 Posts: 74

kendo99 wrote:

thegee, yeah there is something to manning up and dealing with your mistakes, and my advice was pretty manipulative...I dunno what I would person do in the poster's situation.  It's a situation that sucks and it sucks that people do these stupid things to get into sucky situations and losing his job sucks and decieving people sucks. There isn't a good answer, but a save-my-ass instinct honed from years of remaining sane in insane environments kicked in and wanted to help...but I do see your point.

It's all good discussion.

I agree with the Vinster, she doesn't sound insane at all. I think the TS is playing off some internet stereotypes perpetuated by foreigners - Japanese/Asian woman are insane, clingy whatever. It's kind of funny to talk about it, but I think it verges on sexism/racism.

What is so insane about wanting to move in with someone or talk about having kids? First night, fair enough, but all you have to do is explain that you aren't keen for that, or aren't ready...

"I already tried telling her I am infertile and can't have kids, that I like S&M, doing crazy stuff etc.  Didn't work." <- THIS HERE IS INSANE. Who would ever think that this is a reasonable way to end a relationship?

Reply #15 - 2010 April 03, 10:21 pm
kendo99 Member
From: TN Registered: 2010-03-08 Posts: 182 Website

And I was probably reading some of my experiences in truly insane relationships from my youth into his story...And yeah, that was kind of...eh not a good word for it.

Reply #16 - 2010 April 03, 10:22 pm
nest0r Member
Registered: 2007-10-19 Posts: 5236 Website

I'm actually quite surprised how many previously closeted pseudo-sexist/racist men seem to be on the forum. I guess I've had my blinders on? Going back to focusing on language self-study. Please help me by keeping your creepy relationship perspectives to yourselves. (You know who you are.)

Sorry if that comes off harsh, but. Seriously.

Reply #17 - 2010 April 03, 10:30 pm
Asriel Member
From: 東京 Registered: 2008-02-26 Posts: 1343

I think Sunflowersamurai said it best: "never shit where you eat"

Anyway, at this point in time, I don't really know if there's much that the OP can really do. I'd say just break it to her kindly, see if you can do it where you can still maintain a relationship where she's won't go and tell the company.
If she's a decent person, and you are honest (not brutally honest), but actually explain to her the situation, it may well be OK.
The breakup is always thin ice, but the key is to be honest, but light. Stay firm to your decision, but be kind. You don't want to make her more upset than she already will be.

Reply #18 - 2010 April 03, 10:36 pm
kendo99 Member
From: TN Registered: 2010-03-08 Posts: 182 Website

I'm the first to admit I'm TERRIBLE in relationships...But, I don't get myself into the insane sort of situations I would have a decade ago anymore.  My perspective had nothing to do with race or sex, just survival skills developed from doing stupid stuff until I quit doing such stupid stuff.  And I'll admit, it was bad advice.  I popped off the first thing that came to mind based on my own personal experiences of relationships turning really, really ugly and trying to do damage control when the truth was, I didn't know anything about the woman involved, or much about the situation.  Should have kept my mouth shut.  Apologies.

Reply #19 - 2010 April 03, 10:40 pm
Asriel Member
From: 東京 Registered: 2008-02-26 Posts: 1343

To be honest, on paper it sounded like a good plan. By that, I mean it would probably work out wonderfully, in the High School aimed sexual comedy in which it was presented.

In reality, it probably wouldn't go down as nicely.

Reply #20 - 2010 April 03, 10:49 pm
kendo99 Member
From: TN Registered: 2010-03-08 Posts: 182 Website

in the High School aimed sexual comedy in which it was presented.

lol.  yeah, it was that bad.

Reply #21 - 2010 April 03, 10:57 pm
Thora Member
From: Canada Registered: 2007-02-23 Posts: 1691

[edit: I missed all the posts above while I typed this, so I deleted part that no longer applied.]

RKT has becomes a dating Asian women column today? gheesh

I'd try to talk to her. Explain that you like her, but you don't want to continue the relationship. Your (incredible :-) ) attraction to her caused you to make a bad decision. You shouldn't date a student. Explain that if you thought a relationship was going to lead to something serious/marriage, then you would consider changing jobs. But since you aren't interested in having that kind of relationship now, it's not fair to lead her on and you don't want to lose your job.

I think you should express your fear of losing your job, so that she won't be able say she's willing to keep seeing you casually despite your infertility, S&M or whatever. lol

Maybe tell her that you'd like to continue teaching her and talking to her at school as friends. Ask how she feels about that. If she's uncomfortable with that, then suggest that the two of you try to come up with a way for her switch teachers without sacrificing her privacy (and yours) and without putting a black mark in your employment file. She also might not want people to know. Maybe she could ask the school for a female teacher (to model speech after)? Or maybe she'll have to say she doesn't like how you teach, and you'll have to suck it up.

You can hope that if she doesn't feel personally rejected or used, and senses that you're respecting her wishes by trying to dealing with the situation together, then she'll work with you. Try emailing/texting her a couple times after to see how she's doing. If you show kindness, she'll be less likely to want to hurt you back.

Also, try to be straight up with women from the outset and assume they are rational creatures. You might be surprised how cool we are.

Last edited by Thora (2010 April 04, 3:07 pm)

Reply #22 - 2010 April 03, 11:21 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

Have you tried ignoring her and just cutting off all contact with her?

That's what a lot of Japanese do. It's kind of like breaking up without
explicitly saying that you're breaking up.

If she asks you out somewhere, just say that you're busy.
Don't return her calls. Don't visit her. Don't ever go out with her anymore.

In the meantime, just hang out with other girls.

Although, keep in mind that foreigners probably don't have many rights in Japan.
She can screw you over and no one will believe you. You're a gaijin. So maybe no one will sympathize with you (or maybe not?).

Whenever a girl is hurt, people tend to immediately blame the guy without hearing his side of the story. And if she's one of YOUR students, it might turn out to be a really big mess.

I don't really know what to say. It's a tough situation that could cost you your job.

Reply #23 - 2010 April 03, 11:22 pm
Asriel Member
From: 東京 Registered: 2008-02-26 Posts: 1343

Thora is a girl?
First Smackle now Thora?

Women, on MY internets? It's more likely than you think...

Reply #24 - 2010 April 03, 11:38 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

jacf29 wrote:

I really need to break up with this girl, but I fear that she will complain to my Eikaiwa if I do so.  I already tried telling her I am infertile and can't have kids, that I like S&M, doing crazy stuff etc.

If she is up for crazy bondage and doesn't mind that you're infertile (no kids), what is the problem? big_smile

Tobberoth wrote:

jacf29 wrote:

It seemed like a good idea at first, but then I found out this girl was insane.  She was talking about moving in together and having children on our first time together overnight.

Welcome to the world of asian girlfriends. Get used to it.

Indeed, their biological clocks are Swiss! While I don't mind dating older women at all (and actually prefer their personalities to young-uns), their baby-rabies ruins it for me. I'm not as vehemently opposed to children as I used to be, but it still needs to be a good 8+ years from now.

That a woman wants to move in/get married/have kids with you should be flattering, but rushing it (the later two anyways, I think living together is excellent) is always a bad idea.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2010 April 03, 11:52 pm)

Reply #25 - 2010 April 03, 11:39 pm
kendo99 Member
From: TN Registered: 2010-03-08 Posts: 182 Website

Thora's advice=the only thing that might salvage this trainwreck...
kendo99=should have to add a disclaimer to anything he writes that says "Do not take relationship advice from me"