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I have a couple books - I'll check when I'm back in town. Problem is - they're very old. I'll see if I can either find something similar or copy some pages for you. I'll compare "A Simple Art" first though.
Just use cookpad.com. It is Japanese practice AND cooking practice. Personally I learned the kanji for 玉葱 and 人参 while looking up a recipe.
Most ingredients SHOULD be available at any large supermarket, although they might not be as high quality as the Japanese brands (avoid any non-Japanese soy sauce, it's all WAY too salty). The only thing I could never find is thinly sliced meat (しゃぶしゃぶ用), and good kimchi. Pork mince is also somewhat hard to find at times. Luckily I've always lived in areas with decent China towns.
Jarvik7 wrote:
Just use cookpad.com.
Thanks for the site! There are some simple versions of popular home-cooking there. And when several versions of a recipe are offered, it can help new cooks figure out what kind of variation is okay. (But man, some of the concoctions sound disgusting. blech! I don't fancy many of the Japanese versions of other countries' dishes.)
I thought the site might be a bit overwhelming for someone just starting both cooking and Japanese. But I guess the photos and Rikai-chan might make it workable.
Re salty shouyu - yeah, I think excess salt is a problem in the Japanese diet. You can get reduced salt shouyu, but purists turn up their noses at it. I reduce the sugar or mirin in all recipes. If the OP is interested in other healthful changes: substitute brown rice and whole wheat, leave some skins on, avoid so much deep frying, steam rather than boil and rely more on herbs/broth for flavouring than the ubiquitous shouyu-mirin-dashi combo. (Some of my Japanese friends weren't too keen on my changes though - called it peasant food.) :-)
Yup, my Japanese pen pal uses cookpad.
I might try brown or whole wheat rice. My mom got a rice cooker, but unfortunately I don't live with her. She said you have to get used to taste, so we'll see. I definitely want to start this soon, but I really need a job first. Once I have some sort of income though, I'll have to come up with a plan for my first week of cooking.
Thora wrote:
Re salty shouyu - yeah, I think excess salt is a problem in the Japanese diet. You can get reduced salt shouyu, but purists turn up their noses at it. I reduce the sugar or mirin in all recipes. If the OP is interested in other healthful changes: substitute brown rice and whole wheat, leave some skins on, avoid so much deep frying, steam rather than boil and rely more on herbs/broth for flavouring than the ubiquitous shouyu-mirin-dashi combo. (Some of my Japanese friends weren't too keen on my changes though - called it peasant food.) :-)
I find myself of the complete opposite opinion. American food is incredibly salty compared to Japanese food. Any American food with potatoes is invariably served with a heap of salt. Likewise, most meats are seasoned with plenty of salt as well. The only thing I find especially salty in Japanese food is shouyu, and it is used sparingly in Japanese cuisine compared to other Asian foods, such as Filipino food. High blood pressure is a medical condition that plagues Filipinos, despite their often thin appearance. And yes, purists (i.e. Asian people) despise reduced salt soy sauce. Case in point, I have never seen reduced salt soy sauce served at a restaurant in any Asian country, and I've only seen non-Asians using it at restaurants in the U.S.
When it comes to your Japanese friends' opinions on your changes to Japanese dishes, I think substituting brown rice is the biggest foul. No Asian person eats brown rice. The very idea of it seems ridiculous. Instead of switching to brown rice, they would reduce their steamed rice intake or just stop eating rice altogether and switch to eating dishes with more vegetables.
(Warning: mini-rant incoming)
On the subject of brown rice, I find it condescending and a cultural slip when some person brags to me about how they've substituted brown rice in the "Asian dishes" they cook, and how healthy they feel as a result. While this may seem hostile on my part, please keep in mind what is being implied here. Basically, such a person is saying in a boastful tone that he's taken a traditional dish, oftentimes one that I've been raised on, and improved it. It's like shouting, "Stupid Asian people, they don't know anything about being healthy!" despite the overwhelming obesity of America compared to Asian countries. Perhaps that isn't the person's intentions, but that's how it comes across.
On the cultural slip side of thing, substituting brown rice in dishes is comparable to when Asian cooks create "Western dishes," which almost always taste nothing like the Western dishes they are meant to imitate. When some person brags to me about substituting brown rice, I feel like I've just encountered Borat. He thinks that he'll successfully establish a connection with me, but just ends up alienating me from him. Usually when I'm thrown into such a situation, I just smile, nod, and agree.
My peeve is the way people freak out about MSG. I dream of one day going to my local grocer and procuring straight MSG or ingredients that don't say 'no MSG' on the label.
vileru wrote:
On the subject of brown rice, I find it condescending and a cultural slip when some person brags to me about how they've substituted brown rice in the "Asian dishes" they cook, and how healthy they feel as a result. While this may seem hostile on my part, please keep in mind what is being implied here. Basically, such a person is saying in a boastful tone that he's taken a traditional dish, oftentimes one that I've been raised on, and improved it. It's like shouting, "Stupid Asian people, they don't know anything about being healthy!" despite the overwhelming obesity of America compared to Asian countries. Perhaps that isn't the person's intentions, but that's how it comes across.
I don't think it's condescending to make personal choices in the food you eat. If someone's trying to eat less salt, sugar, fat, simple carbs, etc, that's their choice and I don't think it means they think lowly of the original food. I'm sure anyone who makes healthy choices in the foreign cuisine they eat does the same for food from their own country.
I think people get too picky about keeping things "authentic" sometimes.
yukamina wrote:
I don't think it's condescending to make personal choices in the food you eat. If someone's trying to eat less salt, sugar, fat, simple carbs, etc, that's their choice and I don't think it means they think lowly of the original food. I'm sure anyone who makes healthy choices in the foreign cuisine they eat does the same for food from their own country.
I think people get too picky about keeping things "authentic" sometimes.
It has less to do with choice, and more to do with tone and presentation. Usually people present the decisions in question in a matter-of-fact, holier-than-thou tone. It's not exactly a good first impression on someone who's from a culture that values humility and indirectness.
Since I've become interested in cooking again (it's amazing what happens when you buy a new kitchen knife!) I've been looking for Japanese recipes again.
Cookpad gets a lot of recommendations but I really don't like grabbing recipes off the internet. I'm actually a weirdo that likes to purchase cookbooks and read about history or popularity of the dishes they present. (I did however, make some Saikyou Miso cookies off that site, subbing butter for margarine because I don't like margarine. It was actually pretty good!)
I did go to the Japanese bookstore because I became interested in 洋食、but I was dismayed when some recipes said things like "use the premade block of roux."
Lately I've been on a kick... I made omuraisu, though it's never been my favorite dish. Last night I made Japanese Fried Chicken (鶏唐揚げ), tonight I'm going to try making とんかつ. I found recipes for 大学芋、 and I kept hearing people talking about さんま on TV so I'm gonna give さんま塩焼き a try this weekend.
Is there anything good I can use for lunch? I'm aware of all the bento recipes, but unfortunately Japan's tiny bentos are no match for my American appetite.
I've also been trying to incorporate more vegetables in my diet, but I've never been very good at it. Dried nori's been a decent snack, and I kinda feel weird buying the pickled vegetables at the Japanese supermarket.
Short anecdote how I started (and ended) with Japanese food.
Do you know what rice pudding is? Ok, assuming you know that. Turn that somehow into something sticky and make おにぎりs out of it, perhaps with some jam filling inside. That's how you can shock Japanese friend's when you say you tried Japanese cooking for the first time. My girlfriend was like なななにーーー?? Because of the milk, naturally. Can't understand why Japanese hate rice pudding O_o I'm basically living on that.
Two must-haves to get into Japanese food:
Kobayashi Katsuo: The Quick and Easy Japanese Cookbook.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss? … =0&y=0
Simple and tasty.
R. Hosking: A Dictionary of Japanese Food
http://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Japane … amp;sr=8-1
Lots of obscure fish, food, etc kanji for you to learn. If I could take pictures of the ingredients I might even make an Anki deck out of it at some point.
Just another nod towards the 'cooking with dog' youtube channel. Excellent recipes.
I know you're leery about online recipes, and the site is in English, but if you're looking for bento, I suggest http://justbento.com/. As luck would have it, Maki also just released a book about bento as well, so even though it's not in Japanese, it might be worth looking into.
Also, it's absolutely bizarre how often roux blocks are used. It was near impossible to find a recipe for curry rice that didn't use a roux block, and even then, it wasn't that much better than the one made with pre-made roux.
I try to cook Japanese food as much as possible, but I feel really limited in procuring ingredients.
Supermarkets barely stock anything Japanese (aisles and aisles of alcohol but no 日本酒...) and everything at the Japan Centre in London is marked up around 3x the domestic price. I gotta move... but then I'd probably get frustrated not finding Western ingredients I'm used to here. D:
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Irixmark wrote:
Two must-haves to get into Japanese food:
Kobayashi Katsuo: The Quick and Easy Japanese Cookbook.
There's something about the words "Quick and Easy" that makes me lift an eyebrow. Maybe it's just the English version.
The book referred to earlier in this thread (man, more than a year and a half ago), Japanese Cooking: A Simple Art by Shizuo Tsuji, is now out of print.
The other popular recommended book I've found online is Elizabeth Andoh's Washoku, which I'll probably look at if I have time to swing by the bookstore.
The thing is though, I feel that since I know some Japanese that they would have a better resource in their own language. I wonder if they have some sort of definitive cookbook or author, ala Julia Child for French cooking...
quark wrote:
I know you're leery about online recipes, and the site is in English, but if you're looking for bento, I suggest http://justbento.com/. As luck would have it, Maki also just released a book about bento as well, so even though it's not in Japanese, it might be worth looking into.
Also, it's absolutely bizarre how often roux blocks are used. It was near impossible to find a recipe for curry rice that didn't use a roux block, and even then, it wasn't that much better than the one made with pre-made roux.
I'm leery of online recipes with no real backing, like cookpad.com. The English equivalent is something like allrecipes.com or epicurious.com. I like Maki's site since there's a personal touch and all the recipes are actually made. Some of them have been misses when I've made them, but I love reading Just Hungry.
A famous curry chain in Japan (CoCo Ichibanya) is opening up restaurants here in the LA area and after I had it I really wanted to make good curry at home... the S&B Box just doesn't do it anymore. I also wanted to learn how to make Hayashi Rice without roux but didn't know where to start...
Hayashi Rice seems like the impossible to me. You need to have Demi Glace to make it, and from what I've read, that alone is a step that takes quite a few days. Although according to Maki, you can buy Demi Glace in a can.
There was an episode of Dotch Cooking Show where they made Omuhayashi Rice, which looked AMAZING.
Your post is making me want to try making Omurice, since I've never had it before.
I don't know what the difference is between a classic French demiglace and Japanese demiglace is. I'm pretty sure that real Hayashi rice is not made with a French demiglace and even if it were... it does seem like kind of a waste.
I only made omuraisu because whenever people talk about the first dish they make in Japanese cooking it almost always seems to be omuraisu. I'm actually not a fan of it. Well... next time instead of chicken I'll sub in some homemade bacon and see how that goes.
www.cookpad.com in Japanese (1 million+ recipes)
and
www.cookpad.it in English
trusmis wrote:
www.cookpad.com in Japanese (1 million+ recipes)
and
www.cookpad.it in English
new source of sentences for my sentence deck. Thanks!
That is such a good idea. Cookpad is probably bursting with useful words. Now I just have to start making a sentence deck, and stick with it...
I have two bilingual cookbooks that were given to me by Japanese friends in Japan, so I don't know how easy they'll be to find, but here they are:
英語で楽しむ日本の家庭料理/Japanese Family-Style Recipes - 浦上裕子/Urakami Hiroko
英語でつくる和食/Recipes of Japanese Cooking - Yuko Fujita and Navi International
Recipes are in Japanese on one page and in English on the other.
I ordered this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Kitchen- … amp;sr=8-5
And it came yesterday. I read through most of it, and it's a really good book; goes over the techniques for cutting vegetables to look pretty, peeling sheets of daikon (oh man that looks so bad ass), filleting fish, the different sashimi cuts, etc.
Unfortunately, for the 3 knives they mention in the book (薄刃包丁、出刃包丁、柳刃包丁), good quality ones cost at least $300 each. >_<
Well, gotta start somewhere right? Maybe if I buy one every 2 months I'll be ready.
I also expect lots of failed fish fillets.
kainzero wrote:
Irixmark wrote:
Two must-haves to get into Japanese food:
Kobayashi Katsuo: The Quick and Easy Japanese Cookbook.There's something about the words "Quick and Easy" that makes me lift an eyebrow. Maybe it's just the English version.
May I suggest you watch Iron Chef (Episode 232), Potato Battle - Chen vs. Kobayashi. Or even better, give the recipes in the book a try. It's homestyle cooking, but it sure as hell beats anything that I've been served by Japanese girlfriends, their mothers, friends' Japanese girlfriends, etc., homestay moms... your cooking show won't run for 21 years if your recipes aren't unusually good and reasonably easy to replicate at home.
kainzero wrote:
I ordered this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Kitchen- … amp;sr=8-5
And it came yesterday. I read through most of it, and it's a really good book; goes over the techniques for cutting vegetables to look pretty, peeling sheets of daikon (oh man that looks so bad ass), filleting fish, the different sashimi cuts, etc.
Unfortunately, for the 3 knives they mention in the book (薄刃包丁、出刃包丁、柳刃包丁), good quality ones cost at least $300 each. >_<
Well, gotta start somewhere right? Maybe if I buy one every 2 months I'll be ready.
I also expect lots of failed fish fillets.
Surely only a real professional would really appreciate the difference between $300 ones and much cheaper ones?
I got one of those Kyocera ceramic 包丁 for $50 recently, not very traditional but it does the job...
Last edited by dizmox (2011 October 20, 2:35 pm)
Irixmark wrote:
May I suggest you watch Iron Chef (Episode 232), Potato Battle - Chen vs. Kobayashi. Or even better, give the recipes in the book a try. It's homestyle cooking, but it sure as hell beats anything that I've been served by Japanese girlfriends, their mothers, friends' Japanese girlfriends, etc., homestay moms... your cooking show won't run for 21 years if your recipes aren't unusually good and reasonably easy to replicate at home.
Well, the thing is, there are a couple other books to choose from.
As for celeb chefs, a lot of recipe books are ghost-written and not home-tested, so you have a lot of angry home chefs wondering why their recipes don't work out.
There are also plenty of long running American cooking TV shows that produce recipes that are par/sub-par. I always loved Alton Brown's "Good Eats" show, but some of his recipes just weren't there for me.
So, at the very least, I do have justification for skepticism.
But since it's only $9 on Amazon, I might give it a shot.
dizmox wrote:
Surely only a real professional would really appreciate the difference between $300 ones and much cheaper ones?
I got one of those Kyocera ceramic 包丁 for $50 recently, not very traditional but it does the job...
The 出刃包丁 is mainly used for filleting whole fish, and the 柳刃包丁 is mainly used for cutting sashimi. I wouldn't consider either to be a daily task unless you work in the professional field, so it's more of a hobbyist thing. The 薄刃包丁 I'm not sure about; apparently there are features that make it good for certain tasks but I'm not sure if those carry over to other knives.
For some of the techniques, a very sharp edge is required.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h90Fxr_1L08
If it's less than very sharp, it either won't cut, or the knife will smash the meat/fish which can change the appearance/taste/etc. I've cut sashimi with a dull knife, it looked like crap and was really chewy.
There are advantages to buying nice knives but it really depends on what you want to do. I don't know anyone who fillets their own fish and I'm pretty sure that even high-end restaurants don't do it. I think it's a pretty rad skill though, so I want to learn it.
For most people, a good chef's knife and a small paring knife is more than enough.

