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Reply #26 - 2010 January 28, 12:38 am
Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

Meh.  I would have been mildly interested if they had worked in a scaled down version of OSX.  I mean, I'm not a Mac guy, but a slick, futuristic-looking actual computer would have been too much for the gadget lover in me to resist.  Back to waiting for info on Courier, I guess.

Reply #27 - 2010 January 28, 8:08 am
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

IMHO, the iPad feels rushed and incomplete.

But I think after a few software updates from Apple, it will be incredible.
They still have 2 months to work on the software (especially iBook).

Also, there's lots of good technologies that they can use for future ipads: 4G/WIMAX, LightPeak, WiDi, Pixel Qi, E-ink, cloud storage, multitouch by touching on the back of the iPad, multitouch with up to 10 fingers, touchless multitouch(detectomg gestures with your fingers close to the screen, voice recognition, velocity and pressure sensitive touches, 720p (1280x720) or 1080p (1920x1080) resolution etc.

Reply #28 - 2010 January 28, 9:16 am
Codexus Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2007-11-27 Posts: 721

It seems even the hardcore Apple fanboys have to admit it's not that great.

I just don't see a closed platform being successful in the tablet market. It may work for the iPhone/iPod touch, most people don't really care about the apps anyway, but for a tablet, I want a real OS and be able to install whatever I want.

"What this device does is extraordinary. You can browse the web with it." - Steve Jobs

Seriously, the guy is senile if he thinks that's enough.

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Reply #29 - 2010 January 28, 9:20 am
Rekkusu Member
From: Kyoto Registered: 2009-07-12 Posts: 172

What makes you say it feels rushed?
I mean, there are of course endless new technologies that they could've putten into the device, but it wouldn't be realistically achievable to put everything in, the price would be insane.

Also apple likes to reinvent and be innovative, but they don't put stuff in their devices that just.. doesn't really work all that well right now. I'm highly unimpressed with the looks of average e-ink screen (left alone the sloppy devices made for them), so I'm not surprised apple didn't include one just yet.

But anyways, its sad that there isn't really too much new advanced technology in the device, but I can't say that the stuff they DID put into it looks rushed or unfinished.

The iBook app looks great to be honest, it has the funny bookshelf look to give it a more 'real' feel, it has the book store integrated into the app, with a sweet looking animation when you purchase a new book. Reading the book itself looks simple but effective, nice page turning animations to once again try to give it a more 'real' look, it has a smart bookmark thingy, so you can take a look at the index page without losing where you 'where'. I certainly would rather have this device then lets say the Nook with its sloppy ill responsive touch screen gimmick at the bottom.

Reply #30 - 2010 January 28, 9:48 am
Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

Rekkusu wrote:

I mean, there are of course endless new technologies that they could've putten into the device, but it wouldn't be realistically achievable to put everything in, the price would be insane.

I don't know, I think they could have at least afforded to put in the revolutionary, cutting-edge technology of doing two things at once.

Reply #31 - 2010 January 28, 11:47 am
spleenlol Member
From: Michigan Registered: 2009-07-07 Posts: 154

RobotsAnger wrote:

Side note: Can't stop thinking of maxipads when I hear iPad.

hahhahaa

Reply #32 - 2010 January 28, 11:59 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

I was so surprised when I saw that iPad will run IphoneOS. That makes it more or less useless, which is sad since I was kind of interested in it. I already have an iPod Touch, I see no need for a big version of it.

Reply #33 - 2010 January 28, 12:09 pm
jajaaan Member
From: America Registered: 2009-11-14 Posts: 115

- no multi-tasking
- no drag and drop synch (have to use iTunes)
- no USB drive
- no flash support
- no SD card slot
- no cam
- no GPS

This is just like the iPhone, only too big to fit in your pocket.  Or just like a digital picture frame, only no SD card slot.  It's slick alternative to a netbook, only the keyboard is touchscreen, you can't view any websites that use Flash, and you can forget about downloading any files of any kind from the internet, or installing any sort of software not approved or purchased through the Apps Store.  It is Apple, after all.  They must exert their control over what you are allowed to do to your (their?) product.

Reply #34 - 2010 January 28, 12:52 pm
aphasiac Member
From: 台湾 Registered: 2009-03-16 Posts: 1036

The 3G version has GPS.

Honestly I'm no way an Apple fanboy (I own nothing made by Apple, though friends iPhones are fun to play with) but I do see the niche for this product.

Most people who buy netbooks use them to surf the web, check email and watch movies on the go. This device will excel at those tasks. Later generations will probably run OSX, but the CPU and battery technology just isn't there yet. Look at the Mac Book Air, constantly complaints it was too underpowered, this would have been even slower.

I don't want to judge this device till I've had a play with one in the Apple Store, because currently there's nothing out there to compare it to. Yes it runs the iPhone OS, but saying it's just a big iPhone is silly, as the different form factor makes it a totally different experience.

EDIT: Stehphen Fry has written a pretty prositive review:
http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/28/ipad-about

He makes a really good point; when the iPhone came out in 2007, the reaction was quite similar - "it's too expensive", "doesn't run MacOS" and "Whats the point? It has less features than Blackberry" etc. Then people started getting their hands on them, totally different story.

Last edited by aphasiac (2010 January 28, 1:26 pm)

Reply #35 - 2010 January 28, 1:25 pm
vosmiura Member
From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

As a Japanese studies machine, I think it could be nice for using Anki around the home or cafes, especially with a native version that could take care of all the subs2srs needs.

I use a Viliv X70 tablet for this and it's certainly more comfortable to sit & study on that than on a laptop.  The large size however makes it less useful for doing reviews on the move like you can on an iPhone/Touch.  The iPad is larger still.

I would have liked some multi-tasking so that at least the reader/browser/Anki and a dictionary app could be used at the same time.

Last edited by vosmiura (2010 January 28, 1:25 pm)

Reply #36 - 2010 January 28, 3:33 pm
jajaaan Member
From: America Registered: 2009-11-14 Posts: 115

How will it excel at surfing the web with no Flash support, no real keyboard and no ability to download files of any kind? Just curious as to why you'd say that in spite of the huge caveats.

IMO, it's a Kindle with a better screen and actual capabilities beyond books (oh Amazon, don't you know that dedicated devices only last until someone does the same thing +1?), but with much, much worse battery life, and decreased user-friendliness.

For what it's worth, I typed this post on an iPhone, which is certainly convenient and fits in my pocket, but I would hate to use anything like this as my main internet-access device.

Last edited by jajaaan (2010 January 28, 3:41 pm)

Reply #37 - 2010 January 28, 4:07 pm
aphasiac Member
From: 台湾 Registered: 2009-03-16 Posts: 1036

jajaaan wrote:

How will it excel at surfing the web with no Flash support...

Yeh this is a bit of a kicker. But then thinking about it, I only really use flash for this site and video sites. Assuming the youtube client is decent, I'm not sure I'd miss flash at all..

jajaaan wrote:

.. no real keyboard..

It has an on-screen keyboard that's the correct size and sensitive enough for touch-typing. As said above, might work, might not but you really can't knock this feature until you've physically tried it.

jajaaan wrote:

..no ability to download files of any kind?

Why do you need to download files to browse the web?

I don't think the comparisons to the Kindle are fair; this is not really a device for viewing books, in fact it'll probably suck at that due to the glossy LCD screen. But will Apple add a full colour e-ink screen in a future generation one, once the tech is ready? you bet!

EDIT: again to re-iterate; I'm not defending Apple, in the general scheme of things I don't really care. But at the same time I have used many tablet PCs through work, and if you have tried one you'll realise the form-factor is pure awesome for web-browsing/reading. Unfortunately they were all let down by weight, bad screens and the fact they ran windows, but the iPad fixes all of that; hence I reckon it'll be a really neat solution.

Last edited by aphasiac (2010 January 28, 4:14 pm)

Reply #38 - 2010 January 28, 4:26 pm
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

vosmiura wrote:

As a Japanese studies machine, I think it could be nice for using Anki around the home or cafes, especially with a native version that could take care of all the subs2srs needs.

I use a Viliv X70 tablet for this and it's certainly more comfortable to sit & study on that than on a laptop.  The large size however makes it less useful for doing reviews on the move like you can on an iPhone/Touch.  The iPad is larger still.

I would have liked some multi-tasking so that at least the reader/browser/Anki and a dictionary app could be used at the same time.

A native version of Anki would work just as well on a normal iPhone or iPod Touch, which actually fits in your pocket so you can have it with you around the home or at cafes.

Personally, I see no difference between the iPad and the other iPhone devices. It's just bigger, and who cares about that? I watch movies and read books on my iPod Touch, obviously it's big enough for all the things people will be using iPad for.