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I've been searching through these forums and reading AJATT and I'm still stuck on what to do after RTK. I already learnt the kana awhile ago and know some very basic vocabulary and a few sentences (from Genki 1 chapter 1-2 mostly) so what do I do next to get the basic grammer, sentences and vocabulary down? Read through Tae Kim and sentence mine as I go, start core 2000, read a text book and sentence mine that? It's all very unclear to me. Thanks.
I would definitely suggest reading through tae kim and mining sentences from that. If you have trouble understanding it or if their aren't enough examples for you, maybe try cross-referencing Genki.
After you at least get the basic grammar down, start learning some basic vocabulary. Core 2000 at Last.fm is a good place to find it, I guess. And Genki has some good vocabulary lists, though they lack example sentences.
After you get a handle on the grammar and some vocabulary, you can start reading basic manga or videogames (it's very slow and painful at first, but stick with it!), and watching movies or anime or something.
You pretty much want to bootstrap yourself to the point where you don't need pre-packaged stuff. I'd recommend Tae Kim and then either the Core series or KO2001 after that I'd advise you to go through Kanzen Master 2kyuu. After that it's easy enough to take you're own path.
Best thing to do is find stuff you actually enjoy doing in Japanese and do it frequently.
Thanks for the replies, I guess I'll do Tae Kim first then. Some other questions though.. after reading through it, it all seems abit confusing. Should I just read a page or two and try to understand as much as I can, then add it to my SRS and keep drilling until I figure it out? Another thing, how do I learn the kanji readings. From reading AJATT I'm just supposed to memorize the reading for the specific kanji in the sentence I'm learning, simple as that?
Don't add anything to your SRS until you understand it.
If you really have trouble with something, tae kims forum, or this forum could probably help you out.
For learning kanji readings, there are a few different ways you can go about it. You can just memorize it in the context of a sentence, or you can study individual words, outside of a sentence. Personally, I find that if I only study sentences, then I have trouble remembering the individual words in other contexts. So it's best to have a mix of things, I think.
I'm in your position right now.
I decided to go with the consensus and do Tae Kim. It's been going really well (though pretty damn slow for my liking... maybe 5 pages a week or so..)
The one thing I really suggest is using Nukamarine's Anki Deck. It kinda makes life easier. You don't go through the hassle of doing it yourself, and the anki deck is really well made. So you avoid the problem of making sloppy cards yourself.
About the kanji readings... yah. It's a bit of a problem. Learning them in context is definitely better. What I generally do is try and focus on remembering the first letter of the word. about 70% if the time, if I remember the first letter I remember the rest of the word...
Does anyone else have any tricks for learning words?
You're at what's probably (hopefully) the most awkward stage of acquiring Japanese: getting started. Spoken sounds like gibberish, written is still "woah, that's a lot of characters at once," and you don't see a good path forward. There are two things to do at this point: experience without understanding and find low-hanging fruit.
The common factor is that you don't have to understand everything, or even very much. Throw a lot of stuff at your brain and see what sticks.
On the input side, listen and look. Especially listen. Are you listening right now? Why not?
On the study side, skip everything hard. Don't slog through Tae Kim's guide to "earn the right to understand Japanese." You'll be disappointed. Skim (less than 10 hours) through it to have a rough idea of what's inside, then just use it as a reference. If you do study sentences from it, set your leech settings low. Suspend hard stuff. Low hanging fruit only.
Suspend anything you fail more than a couple of times. Suspend at least 5% of everything for being too hard. You'll be higher-level later, return to tackle high-level stuff later. This is language, where hard things are rare, not math where you have to 'master the fundamentals first.'
After finishing RTK I spent some time trying to come up with a clever mnemonic system for vocabulary. Waste of time: there was and is plenty of low hanging fruit. When I finally just started doing the Core 2000, I was surprised that over 95% of it stuck without mnemonics. Don't pull out the big mnemonic guns until you've proven that they're needed.
Once you're comfortable with gathering low-hanging fruit and not understanding, you can set your sights on a juicy mid-level goal. I'll finish my first pass through Core 2000 in about two weeks. Then, I'll focus on switching to a monolingual dictionary.
Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it. Very insightful stuff wildweathel
This thread has given me more drive to speed up my japanese studying. Thanks again everyone.
I was just recently in your position, Arckus, except I didn't even finish RTK (got a little less than halfway). I can't make a recommendation, but I can tell you what I have done so far.
After doing half of RTK, and getting significantly tired of not learning any actual Japanese, I decided to stop adding kanji to my RTK deck unless I come across them in my other studies. I then started doing the Core2000 deck (standard order, not KO2001 card order). I only JUST reached Step 3 after 1.5 months. Granted, I'm not going through it as nearly as fast as would be possible, but I am doing it at a pace that I feel comfortable with, and it's a pace I know I can maintain.
I use Tae Kim's grammar guide as my main grammar source, but I am NOT doing the Tae Kim deck. Grammar points don't stick with me until I actually have to use the knowledge of that grammar. I go through the Core2000 deck, and every time I come across a grammatical element that I don't fully understand, I go look it up on Tae Kim's guide. - I did at one point actually try to go through the Tae Kim deck, but after a couple hundred cards, I felt it was utterly pointless. I suggest learning by using, not learning by cramming facts.
My level is still very low, but every day I'm picking up on things more and more. However, I am NOT doing full immersion, heck - right now I'm hardly doing any immersion at all, other than watching anime, and I'm watching those with English subtitles still, otherwise they just wouldn't be enjoyable.. yet.
The main reason I chose to stop short on RTK and to go straight into Core2000 is because I felt like I was getting no where. Sure, I was learning kanji, but you can't actually DO anything with that knowledge yet. If you can stick with it, awesome. I couldn't do both RTK and stay motivated to study Japanese. Also.. I honestly don't think I'm missing out on much. I did about 950 kanji before I stopped, and I've only added about 75 kanji in the last 1.5 months since I started Core2000. Roughly 1 new kanji a day, which ain't much.
So, that's how I did it.

