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kazelee wrote:
nest0r wrote:
PS - An example of how I use the profile info: The number of posts adversely affects their coolness factor, dependent on much it exceeds the tacit norm based on when they joined. Ex: Kazelee joined after I did, but their post count exceeds my own. Thus, they are considerably less cool than I am.
Interesting.
See, the way I see it is that post count is a directly related to study time and [ removed by moderator. Reason: ....Damn! ]
BTW, kudos on the use of "their." It's glad to see someone recognizing both me and my alter ego.
I always use 'their' as a gender neutral, since I'm anti-identity outside of the most minimal differentiation of names from post to post. Plus it was a psychological ploy designed to emasculate (or um, enmasculate) you.
Speaking of high post counts, where has Tobberoth been ![]()
I think there's been only two or three posts that directly insulted post counts, and that was a low post count talking about a high post count. Usually it took pointing out a post per day average to show the silliness of their insult.
There's definitely has not been elitism. Many have popped onto this board giving advice and never got shot down as "newb" (Magama, Aijin, Yudantadeki come to mind). The quality shows right off the bat.
Now, as for starters of Japanese, I think it's just human nature not wanting to ask what'll be perceived as a stupid question that prevents most from posting and not the post count of guys/gals on the forums. There's sometimes a blunt reply or two but I don't think that's been the norm.
The only time a low post count has been brought up has been in the googlewave invite. The inviter didn't want to invite a guy with just 10 posts and no RTK reviews (ie they popped in via a google search about invites). Sounds like a legitimate reason.
So long as Frabice doesn't implement a silly "Post Count Title" I think we'll be safe. God knows I still remember that "moron" with a 10,000+ post count in less than a year on that ithinkimlost forum somebody here linked to. If we can avoid encouraging such acts here, then we'll be ok.
Last edited by Nukemarine (2009 November 21, 1:59 am)
So, everyone is pretty bored on a Friday/Saturday eh?
The fact that this thread has gone rather civilly is proof enough that this is a forum where the OPs idea has no meaning. In some other forums I've been on I think everyone would have just posted ironic/demeaning messages.
I couldn't tell you the post count of anyone, let alone my own (300 something?)- but everyone knows who the frequent posters are.
As a long time lurker (I pretty much visit every day but rarely comment
) I would have to say I often look at registered dates and post counts as mainly a curiosity thing. Mainly when I don't recognise someones name, so I check to see if they are new or if I have somehow missed them. So I vote for not getting rid of them, because I am a curious person! It's also interesting to see easily how much time has gone by since users havejoined this site. Boy does time go by quickly!
What, someone who's been registered since 2008 with over 240 posts aught to know that we don't judge people on when they registered or how many posts they have. Drums please.
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Last edited by vosmiura (2009 November 21, 5:14 am)
Same here, I really don't care how long someone has been around. Sound advice is sound advice, once in a while I throw my 2 cents in, but doubt anyone recognizes me. I can't recall being shunned by anyone yet either.![]()
I recognize you, but only because you are in Calgary and I was (up until May) in Edmonton.
Hey guys, just checking in to get my post count up then people will think I'm really cool.
It's probably a good idea to hide a box of matches if there are kids around but it's hardly necessary in the house full of adults. Someone may find them useful, so why bother removing something that doesn't really get in anyone's way?
The font used for displaying this data is quite small and relatively low-contrast, so I personally don't even notice it most of the time.
Although it's my 3rd post on this forum and 99% of the readers have never seen me before, numbers on the left show that I've been using this forum long enough to form an opinion on this matter, making it slightly more relevant than if I had registered just few hours ago. At the same time those numbers would mean nothing had we been discussing Japanese literature for example.
I also don't feel any intimidated by anyone's posts count here, despite mine being so low. Lack of fluency in English and experience in learning Japanese are way bigger barriers ![]()
iAurora wrote:
Lack of fluency in English and experience in learning Japanese are way bigger barriers
So you're saying you're not a native English speaker? I would never have known.
Last edited by captal (2009 November 21, 9:27 am)
captal wrote:
iAurora wrote:
Lack of fluency in English and experience in learning Japanese are way bigger barriers
So you're saying you're not a native English speaker? I would never have known.
I may have sounded like I was cruising for compliments (may be I even was to some extent
) but I actually meant what I said.
You see, I always felt confident about my English-speaking ability because I could understand most of what I was hearing or reading and I had no problems expressing pretty much every idea I had, even if using somewhat poor vocabulary and limited grammar. Every time I'd talk to a native English speaker I'd have this little comforting knowledge that no matter how many mistakes I made, my English was still miles ahead of their Russian.
But this forum is full of well-educated native speakers and, what is even worse, non-natives who sound just like natives if not better. I have no excuses when I compare myself to them. And then there's Mr. Heisig with his creatively chosen keywords that make me wanna cry and throw slippers at the wall (and I don't even wear slippers). All this together awakens in me a way deeper inferiority complex than all your post counts combined! ![]()
So the most intimidating thing about this forum for a newb is actually you guys being too good. I know you can't help it though ![]()
Jarvik7 wrote:
I recognize you, but only because you are in Calgary and I was (up until May) in Edmonton.
I, on the other hand, will not recognize either of you, being from San Jose ![]()
Go Sharks!!
Last edited by mafried (2009 November 21, 12:24 pm)
shihoro wrote:
@ iAurora
I have to compliment you, even if you are not 'cruising for compliments'. If my Japanese is ever as good as your English - I will have made it.
Thank you. To be honest, if my Japanese is ever as good as my English, I will consider my goal achieved. But it's because I have modest goals to start from. We are not talking about native-like fluency some people on this forum seem to aim for.
Believe or not, since the last few weeks, I read posts here without knowing who posted them because I resized my explorer window so it doesn't show the profile information's area.
iAurora wrote:
But this forum is full of well-educated native speakers and, what is even worse, non-natives who sound just like natives if not better. I have no excuses when I compare myself to them. And then there's Mr. Heisig with his creatively chosen keywords that make me wanna cry and throw slippers at the wall
Yeah, Heisig's keyword are merciless. ;-) As a non-native speaker who's been studying in the U.S. for more than three years (and I rarely run into problems with my written or spoken English), there's an embarrassing amount of keywords whose meanings I had to look up (10-15% perhaps?); and then there are those that I'd normally be able to understand in context, but that I end up having to look up just to be sure I'm getting them right.
Like, "rend". Gosh, I'd never even heard that word. ^_^ Or "interment", "bungling", or "precipitous" -- yeah, I can sortof guess them in context, but without context I have to resort to a dictionary.
I wonder, do you native speakers sometimes have problems understanding keywords at all? (Don't be modest please, or we'll get the responses skewed towards "having problems". ^^)
iAurora wrote:
I end up having to look up just to be sure I'm getting them right.
Like, "rend". Gosh, I'd never even heard that word. ^_^ Or "interment", "bungling", or "precipitous" -- yeah, I can sortof guess them in context, but without context I have to resort to a dictionary.
I've been living in the states for something like 13 years now, and I don't know what those words are. However, even without them, I was able to write the several dozens of essays required to graduate college.... so .. yeah.
Huh wait, are you sure that's not Internment (get put in jail)? ... never heard of Rend or bungling. Precipitous sounds like Precipitation (to pile up over time) but I can't compute how it can conjugate into that form .. ..
Last edited by ocircle (2009 November 21, 2:51 pm)
I kind of like the post counts - I don't think it enlarges a persons "e" dong or anything, just gives a little perspective about their involvement here.
Newbs need not be intimidated by the stats - I have posted a few idiotic q's, and always got a kind (and quick) response. People post here to be helpful, entertained, and communicate with each other and are quite regularly patient, welcoming, and willing to share the "basics". I have respect and gratitude for the big post count folks - They've dispensed a great deal of information that has help many many people, and helped me several times - It's only right in my opinion that there is a stat that semi records this. I think it's pretty sweet that almost anytime of day or night if I need help with something, someone with experience here will respond from somewhere on the planet.
Last edited by TaylorSan (2009 November 21, 3:15 pm)
Interesting topic.
Nukemarine raised a good point: there are no titles linked to post count, and thus no encouragements for artificially growing one's post count.
The forum is very bare as you may have noticed. There are no signatures (which are often used for displaying huge "avatar" images), the avatars add a personality touch without taking too much space. The design makes the post content the focus.
captal wrote:
I couldn't tell you the post count of anyone, let alone my own (300 something?)- but everyone knows who the frequent posters are.
Exactly.
iAurora wrote:
Although it's my 3rd post on this forum and 99% of the readers have never seen me before, numbers on the left show that I've been using this forum long enough to form an opinion on this matter, making it slightly more relevant than if I had registered just few hours ago.
I agree. I like to check out member's registration date some times. It doesn't affect my judgment about someone's posts, it's just nice to see people who have been here for a while, regardless of how often they post. Some go away for awhile and come back. It's nice to see people come back ![]()
shihoro wrote:
Perhaps as an experiment we could do without the information; maybe it would encourage newbs and indeed others to post more often.
I can see your point and that of the OP. I agree that we could do without the post count, I wouldn't take off the registration date however.
The post count is indeed not all that important, but as others have said, some people like it. I guess it comes down to me seeing not much incentive to hide the post count and wondering what real benefits, if any, there would be. To make a true experiment you would have to track a lot of things, take "samples", measure.. I'm not going to do this, I don't even know where I would start. I haven't read a very convincing argument so far to the benefits of hiding post counts.
shihoro wrote:
Perhaps as an experiment we could do without the information; maybe it would encourage newbs and indeed others to post more often.
From my experience, post count doesn't really seem to matter. Most people who lurk choose to do so of their own volition. Removing an aspect of the forum won't change that much. If anything, I believe further removing the identities of the members would encourage less civil behavior. Anon = insanity.
If someone's gonna take a blow at you or make a power play, they're gonna do it, and often times, look foolish themselves in the process. The fact of the matter is verbosity != knowledge != value != importance.
When I first came to this forum I got clowned quite a few times for my enthusiasm. 1500 posts later and I still get clowned on from time to time (despite the fact that I can modify posts to say just about anything
). I just laugh with them.
No one's so important that you should feel as though you shouldn't speak. If someone were to seriously take a stab at you for asking a "silly" question, that person is probably not one you want to be taking advice from.
I look at post counts all the time. Not cos I like to perv on the proverbial e-dong but people only really post here for valuable discussion of methods/ideas/results/resources. So if someone has posted a lot then they've partaken in a wide variety of discussions that have probably helped shape the way they learn Japanese and often we can learn something from them.
I know the only reason my learning methods are as good as they are is because I lurked this forum the whole time I studied RTK and I started posting in it just after I finished.
So sometimes it's out of curiosity and sometimes it's to see whether or not they're a veteran around here. Previous comments are right too, the people who frequent know who the regulars are. I think it's interesting and useful to see those stats from time to time. Doesn't mean it makes the bigger e-donged person right over the other one and thank god this isn't an anon board!
To me, this is a board where people experiment on different ways to learn Japanese and give their feedback to the community so that everyone benefits. It's not really a board where newbs offer advice every second new topic like some other boards. Most newb posters here start like we all did... "hey, this is what I'm doing... do you think it's going to work?" and this kind of discussion is great. If I was a newb posting something like this and I got a reply from someone with a higher post count who's been around along time and tried a lot of different things then i'd really value their opinion. If I got a reply from another newb saying "well I haven't started sentence mining yet but I think you should do x y and z" I'd read it and comprehend it, think about it but not take it as seriously.
Forum.koohii is the best language discussion group on the internet so I can't see changing anything really.
OK, if something must be updated, How about a partnership with Japancupid.com?
一緒に夜明けのコーヒー飲まない?
Hyea!! Watch everyone's post count skyrocket!
ocircle wrote:
iAurora wrote:
I end up having to look up just to be sure I'm getting them right.
Like, "rend". Gosh, I'd never even heard that word. ^_^ Or "interment", "bungling", or "precipitous" -- yeah, I can sortof guess them in context, but without context I have to resort to a dictionary.I've been living in the states for something like 13 years now, and I don't know what those words are. However, even without them, I was able to write the several dozens of essays required to graduate college.... so .. yeah.
Huh wait, are you sure that's not Internment (get put in jail)? ... never heard of Rend or bungling. Precipitous sounds like Precipitation (to pile up over time) but I can't compute how it can conjugate into that form .. ..
You've been in the states 13 years and never heard "you bungling idiot/fool!" To be honest the Heisig keywords didn't really present me any problem- I may have looked up one or two for confirmation.
I've read a lot of fantasy books though- where words like rend and precipitous aren't uncommon (though my favorites are maw, myriad and miffed).
Since the topic shifted a bit to the more obscure English keyword meanings: Use Katsuo's spreadsheet that shows multiple English meanings. Even as a native English speaker, Heisig's choices can cause confusion especially for the vague or multiple meaning keywords where he offers no further explanation. The Keyword-Kanji concept is OUTSTANDING for flashcard and SRS application, but detrimental if the keyword is the only thing you use to get the CONCEPT of the kanji.
And yeah, I should have used a dictionary some of the times early on.
Jarvik7 wrote:
吾 recognize you, but 只nly because you are 中n Calgary and 吾 was (up until May) 中n Edmonton.
I'm originally from Edmonton too, kind of odd having so many people from Alberta on this site.
There are a number of other Albertans here too. I was only in Edmonton for the last 2 years of my uni education, so I'm not a native. I do kind of miss it and the UoA campus though.

