Eating healthy in Japan on the cheap?

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Reply #26 - 2009 October 10, 3:05 pm
REH94 Member
Registered: 2009-04-09 Posts: 46

@jacf29  I would imagine he would be happy to rent that far in advance, worth a shot if you were interested. Ya, I stayed in the bunk one, its pretty tiny but for me (I'm rather small and I didn't have much luggage) it was perfect. If you like lots of space or plan to have a lot of stuff I guess it wouldn't be the best.
I believe he said he had a few other apartments, I'm not sure they are all in the same complex. I think he said he had one with tatami floors too, if your interested, hahaha.
Anyway, as for the area it is just north of the river and so its easy to get to the river valley to go for a run, ect. Because of the baseball diamonds and the school right over there there were a few kids around. And because of the proximity to shinosaka station you get a good number of other age groups around too. Mainly though, everyone just commutes through. There are a few restaurants and bars around but there are better areas in the city to socialize. (That said, christmas was awesome at the little italian joint between nishinakajima-minamigata and shinosaka, hahaha) I personally liked the area, but if you are looking to party hard every night you might want to look somewhere else.
Hope this helps, sorry for rambling!

Reply #27 - 2009 October 10, 4:38 pm
jacf29 Member
From: St Louis MO Registered: 2007-07-23 Posts: 204

Nah not looking to party hard.  Just like being surrounded by youthful people.  When I lived in Saitama for a few months I was borderline suicidal as all I saw were elderly people.

I will check with him on the apartments.  Thanks again.

Food: I am just keeping off carbs until I hit my goal weight of 167.  Then its back to carbs again as I started running every other day a month ago and I love it.  So far lost 12 pounds last month, I think I'll lose about 8 or 9 this month.  So heck maybe Ill be at 167 by the time I get there.

But I will still limit the carbs.  I look and feel a lot better without them.

Its not easy going without rice, because I freakin love rice.

Reply #28 - 2009 October 10, 8:23 pm
chochajin Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-07-13 Posts: 520 Website

I've been living in Japan for almost 2 years now.
I also always search for not too expensive healthy ways to eat.
Recently there was an "interesting" post @ gaijinpot. Maybe you can find some helpful infomration over there as well.
Try to stay away from packed combini food and sweet drinks as much as possible. Also instant noodles and stuff are not really healthy.
Don't eat white bread! Japanese people only seem to like white bread, there's basically no dark breakd or whole grain bread at all! (for a German like me it's horrible *sigh*)

Instead of white rice, try using brown rice sometimes.

As for cockroaches. I've never seen one in my whole life until a few days ago.
It was when the taifun came and I didn't know about it and left my balcony door open. I'm pretty sure that's when it came in. I completely freaked out as I've never seen one an didn't know what to do. I bought various traps and cleaned my whole apartment (1K anyway ...).
When I told my Japanese coworkers they seemed to be quite relaxed and told me it just happens from time to time here in Japan. Even if your apartment is the cleanest place ever, they'll eventually sneak in .... GAH!! I couldn't sleep for 2 nights (x___X)

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Reply #29 - 2009 October 10, 8:32 pm
woodwojr Member
From: Boston Registered: 2008-05-02 Posts: 530

jacf29 wrote:

Food: I am just keeping off carbs until I hit my goal weight of 167.  Then its back to carbs again as I started running every other day a month ago and I love it.  So far lost 12 pounds last month, I think I'll lose about 8 or 9 this month.  So heck maybe Ill be at 167 by the time I get there.

Not to say that you shouldn't do what works for you, but the changes you make to eliminate carbohydrates are probably reducing your total caloric intake rather than the carbohydrates themselves being meaningfully different.

chochajin wrote:

Instead of white rice, try using brown rice sometimes.

Brown rice is just a pain. It spoils faster, and you still have to take it to a polishing station before you get something edible. Buy some rice bran if you want to get it into your diet.

(This, of course, assuming you don't grow your own rice.)

~J

Last edited by woodwojr (2009 October 10, 8:34 pm)

jacf29 Member
From: St Louis MO Registered: 2007-07-23 Posts: 204

Thanks for the link.  Reading it now. 

Yeah I can't do brown rice.  It just tastes horrible to me. 

Woodwojr, yeah that probably has something to do with it.  I know exactly how many calories pretty much I am eating every day.  The hardest part is getting down to my goal weight.  After that is done with and I maintain for a few months on the same plan, I can eat more since my metabolism will be insane from running every other day for 6 months at that point.  Of course I will continue the running as I love it.

jacf29 Member
From: St Louis MO Registered: 2007-07-23 Posts: 204

Couldn't find anything on there about eating plans. 

Wow I guess because its been a while since I saw that site but a lot of the long time posters on gaijinpot seem to be most bitter people I have come across in a while.

Reply #32 - 2009 October 11, 6:41 am
woodwojr Member
From: Boston Registered: 2008-05-02 Posts: 530

I should also note that although running is great exercise in many ways, it's unlikely to raise your resting metabolism much; for that you want something along the lines of weight training to make more energy-hungry muscle.

~J

Reply #33 - 2009 October 11, 7:45 am
thorstenu Member
From: Germany Registered: 2008-12-22 Posts: 99

If I train, I get more hungry. When I get more hungry, I need to eat more so I need more food. More food costs more money.... I don't see where it helps to eat on the cheap.

radical_tyro Member
Registered: 2005-11-19 Posts: 272

woodwojr wrote:

I should also note that although running is great exercise in many ways, it's unlikely to raise your resting metabolism much; for that you want something along the lines of weight training to make more energy-hungry muscle.

~J

i doubt that. running will burn many more calories. i do both cycling and weights, and the cycling turns me into a ravenous eating machine.

Reply #35 - 2009 October 11, 1:06 pm
woodwojr Member
From: Boston Registered: 2008-05-02 Posts: 530

radical_tyro wrote:

running will burn many more calories.

This is true. However, running does very little to create additional energy demands at rest. On the days when you don't train, you'll burn about the same amount of energy as before you started running.

I'm not saying that producing muscle is a better way of losing weight in general, but it's that route that causes you to burn more energy at rest.

~J

Reply #36 - 2009 October 11, 1:19 pm
radical_tyro Member
Registered: 2005-11-19 Posts: 272

interesting. i hadn't heard that before.

Reply #37 - 2009 October 11, 1:37 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

If you run too much you actually start to burn muscle for energy too, further lowering your rest metabolism.

Reply #38 - 2009 October 11, 2:08 pm
vosmiura Member
From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

I also think doing some resistance training is good for keeping the weight off.  I'm not very good at keeping long term training habits.  Previously I did diets & running, and I lost weight while doing them and then gained it back.  This year I started weights training 3 days a week for a few months, then got lazy again, but my weight actually continued to decrease over the past half a year without special attention.

Reply #39 - 2009 October 11, 3:01 pm
activeaero Member
From: Mobile-AL Registered: 2008-08-15 Posts: 500

The National Academy of Sciences, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, Heart & Stroke Foundation, and the HHS do not support or either directly oppose low-carb dieting. 

And to expand on a point someone else was making about the life expectancy of Japanese you left out their smoking habits.  The Japanese smoking percentages are nearly 50% higher than that of the United States with Japanese males having the highest smoking rate in the entire world.  For them to still have a substantially higher life expectancy under such conditions really shows they are doing something else right.  If carbs were bad, considering it is easily the stable of their diet, these numbers would just seem to be impossible to achieve unless something else they are doing is just THAT amazingly good to counteract both the smoking and "bad" carbs.

Reply #40 - 2009 October 11, 3:37 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

I think the health of Japanese people is caused by:

1) One does a LOT more walking in Japan than in North America, due it not being a society based on cars. There is also almost nowhere to sit down in public, so people have to stand a lot too.
2) Food science isn't nearly as universal in Japan as in North America. Most food here is actual food, and not something cooked up in a lab. The strange exception to that is cheese - you cannot buy real cheese at a normal grocery store, just processed crap. Tons of Japanese food isn't health-food (ramen, katsu, karaage, korokke, etc), but it's not a pile of chemicals so it's not too bad for you either.

They don't have inherent genetic benefits, since iirc Asian-Americans actually have shorter lifespans than whites, and every Japanese exchange student I know (hundreds) gained a significant amount of weight when they went to Canada.

So in short, I don't think you need to knock yourself out trying to avoid carbs in Japan, since you're going to lose that weight just through normal Japanese-style life.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2009 October 12, 6:40 am)

Reply #41 - 2009 October 12, 5:28 am
Katsuo M.O.D.
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-02-06 Posts: 887 Website

chochajin wrote:

Bread...

White bread is everywhere, usually soft & tasteless. But I like Kimuraya Raimugi (木村屋ライ麦) which toasts very nicely.

It is possible to find other kinds of bread though. Try the food section in the basement of many large department stores.

Also, in Tokyo/Kanto try the following stores:
Kinokuniya 紀ノ国屋 has several branches, the largest being in Aoyama. (Note: No relation to the bookstore Kinokuniya which is written 紀伊國屋).
Seijo Ishii 成城石井 has more branches but usually a smaller selection.
National Azabu is larger, but only two branches.

Reply #42 - 2009 October 12, 7:20 pm
chochajin Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-07-13 Posts: 520 Website

Katsuo, thanks a lot.
Unfortunately I live in a really small city. We don't have any of these huge department stores and please believe me when I say that I searched for whole grain bread almost EVERYWHERE already.
The only option I'd have it to order it online, but that's quite expensive.

I somewhat found an alternative, though: genmai bread
Although it's not the same.

Last edited by chochajin (2009 October 12, 7:21 pm)

Reply #43 - 2009 October 12, 9:09 pm
bodhisamaya Guest

豆腐 is really cheap in Japan.  I would often buy it on sale 3 blocks for 100円

radical_tyro wrote:

i too think it's a mistake for you to avoid rice. it's cheap, a staple of japanese food, and there's nothing wrong with it.

 
Those Atkins commercials really annoy me.  I mean, don't people know the guy died of a heart attack from being obese?

Last edited by bodhisamaya (2009 October 12, 10:20 pm)

Reply #44 - 2009 October 12, 9:14 pm
jacf29 Member
From: St Louis MO Registered: 2007-07-23 Posts: 204

I should probably clarify.  I am getting carbs in from breakfast (cereal) and vegetables.  In Japan I will just substitute rice in for breakfast.

vosmiura Member
From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

Food science isn't nearly as universal in Japan as in North America

Hmm, I thought a lot of the "food science" is developed in Japan at Ajinomoto & co;).

Reply #46 - 2009 October 13, 6:25 am
yudantaiteki Member
Registered: 2009-10-03 Posts: 3619

bodhisamaya wrote:

I mean, don't people know the guy died of a heart attack from being obese?

He died from falling on ice and hitting his head; the claim is that at his death he was obese and had hypertension, etc.  He didn't actually die of a heart attack, though.

Dixon Member
From: Seoul and Vancouver Registered: 2009-06-03 Posts: 31

He ballooned up in water weight when he was in the hospital bed. He was never obese. People cite his weight at death but that was never the weight he walked around at. It's extremely dishonest.

What would you say to me if I tried to eat the Paleo Diet while in Japan? Would it be too expensive? I did it well in Korea, having the Korean version of sashimi, a lot of pork, Korean vegetables, and in-season Korean fruits. I used lard that I obtained free from butchers to cook my food instead of butter. The Paleo Diet is the diet that the human race evolved on prior to the advent of agriculture: meats, fruits, vegetables, nuts, and fish. Incidentally, it is the only thing that has permanently cured acne for me, after being on several types of medication.

strugglebunny Member
From: Okachimachi Registered: 2007-11-10 Posts: 139 Website

Food is freaking expensive in Tokyo. If you come here, learn to love 100 yen ramen (yes, even the cheapest instant ramen is over $1 American.) and every now and again Seiyu bento boxes (for variety,) if you want to eat "cheap."