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I was able to eat dirt cheap before in Tokyo, and by dirt cheap I mean 700 yen a day. But I was eating very unhealthy. My guess is if I didnt have my vitamins in addition to what I had each day for those 2 months, I would have been seriously sick.
So this time when I return to live in Japan, I am bringing a lot of money, but I strongly desire to eat healthy like I have been doing recently. I also want to save as much of the money I am bringing as possible, so I have more money to splooge on useless fun stuff like concerts, movies, music, etc.
Has anyone every ate healthy and cheap for a period of at least 2 months? How did you do it? After the 2 month point I will start getting real paychecks so I can start spending more.
I already have an idea of some of the healthy stuff I can get at the 100 yen store (tofu, banana, apple, natto, milk, juice). But thats not enough to live off of for 2 months. I also can't do the rice thing as I am cutting down on carbs.
Thanks in advance.
Where will you be living? Will you have a fridge and a stove you can cook with? What about a microwave?
Living is actually another thing I haven't decided on yet. Somewhere in Osaka. I am looking for a guesthouse with mostly Japanese and few foreigners, so taking me a bit mining through the japanese only websites to find one.
Btw, I know Tokyo inside and out but am clueless as to Osaka. In tokyo there were many different cool areas that you would want to live close to (Kichijouji, Ikebukuro, Shibuya, Setagaya, etc.). Basically places young people hung out at with many cool shops too. Where in Osaka would I want to situate myself by if I am looking for a scene like that? All I know of right now is Namba.
I will have a fridge, stove, and microwave for sure.
Sorry for the shameless plug but I stayed here for over a month and I really enjoyed it. Masa's a good guy too and almost every week end he would take me out for some 'real' japanese experiences. masaosaka.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-apartment-in-shin-osaka.html
REH94 wrote:
Sorry for the shameless plug but I stayed here for over a month and I really enjoyed it. Masa's a good guy too and almost every week end he would take me out for some 'real' japanese experiences. masaosaka.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-apartment-in-shin-osaka.html
When he says 2 bunk beds are included, is it a shared apartment or a 1 person apartment? Thanks, looks like nice area.
Well I stayed alone, if you really wanted to stretch it there are really 4 beds in total but I used one of the bottom beds as a couch and the top beds as storage. Overall I found it perfect for just one. Anyway, just something to think about, hahaha. (Oh and for what its worth he is willing to negotiate rent, or at least he did with me) Good luck, I really liked staying in the Kansai region, so much to do. And as for food, you know about the 350円 curry joints right? That's how I lived, hahaha.
lol i did the curry thing before and thats how i actually gained weight in japan (and the drinking).
Thing is I am moving in January. I am not sure if he would rent to me that far in advance.
So you stayed in the bunkk bed one huh? It seems like the whole room is the 4 bunk beds. Is there more space? How is the area around? Are there lots of young people or is it a senior citizen area? Does this guy have just 1 apartment in that complex available or many?
Thanks again man you might have just helped me find out where I am going to live.
Healthiest cheap thing I eat is uncut sashimi from the supermarket. You can get a decent block or salmon or tuna for ~200 yen. I usually get a block of each, go home and cut it up and have some rice or something else with it and it's a good meal. I love sashimi and it's very healthy for you. All the salmon you're going to get at the supermarket will be farm raised, meaning it won't have high levels of mercury, etc. The ocean stuff is much more expensive.
My girlfriend also makes me curry or stew loaded with veggies which I throw in the freezer and eat later. Price/meal is pretty inexpensive.
REH94 wrote:
And as for food, you know about the 350円 curry joints right? That's how I lived, hahaha.
LOL....brings back memories of those many college days surviving on ramen alone.....14cents per pack.... :-p
I remember watching a drama some time ago (I think it was "Kitchen Wars")....
there was a guy enrolling in a cooking class with only women. The instructor interviewed him. He talked about how he couldn't cook at all and that his college days were "instant ramen 暮らし” ..........lmao....
Last edited by chamcham (2009 October 10, 12:31 am)
bascially go to the produce section of your supermarket and buy the stuff that is seasonal (obviously its cheaper that way). one of my favorite things to make is yudofu. Just boil some water and konbu in a pot, add tofu, shironegi, and mushrooms (or something seasonal, fall=mushrooms). Eat with brown rice and you've got an extremely healthy and cheap meal.
Seeing how fruits are ridiculously overpriced, I believe it is impossible to eat cheap and healthy at the same time in Japan. 100 Yen for one apple? That's just ridiculous.
I would recommend getting a big sack of rice (they have those really big ones), the aforementioned sashimi, and cup ramen (not neccessarily healthy, but a good sidedish to the rice).
Evil_Dragon wrote:
Seeing how fruits are ridiculously overpriced, I believe it is impossible to eat cheap and healthy at the same time in Japan. 100 Yen for one apple? That's just ridiculous.
Only 100 yen?
It is ridiculous. There's a super by me that usually has bananas for 99 yen per bunch, which is pretty good. Avocados are only 100 yen there, other stores it's 150-200 yen each.
Compare that to Australia where 2 for $1 (~80 yen) is standard and 3 for $1 sales are common.
Let's not even get started on cantaloupe/rock melon. Anyway I'm off to buy some 100 yen burgers/shaka-shaka chicken at Macka's/MickeyD's/Maku ![]()
Last edited by captal (2009 October 10, 4:40 am)
I have been living in Japan now for about 2 years and I think that I eat pretty healthy and I spend about 25000, to 30000 yen a month on food. This includes beer etc. If you break it down that is about 1000 yen a day if not a little less (depending on the month). If I were to cut out alcohol I would say I spend maybe 20000 to 25000 yen a month on food.
The secret I have found is saying "I am not going to eat out!" and stick to it. This will save you the most money. The second thing is you can't just walk into a スーパー and say "I will only spend 700 yen today only." But rather say "Okay I have 700 yen a day for 3 days so 2100 yen." Now you can get a head of lettuce for salad each day, stuff for spaghetti, plus eggs and bread for breakfast stuff. Plus stuff like noodles and salad dressing will generally last you more then three days so the next time you go shopping you don't have to buy these items again. Try to find about 5 or 6 recipes that you really like and make those. If your interested I could send some (or if you really want I could post them here) good recipes that will usually make enough to last a few days.
I think even in Tokyo you can eat well and not bust the bank. Over the month it might be a bit more expensive then where I live (I'm kinda out in the sticks) but nothing that would break the bank.
In the end don't go out to restaurants if you can help it as that will always always always be more expensive in the long run.
Edit:
If there is one thing I am lucky about I do get school lunch at my school. I did not include this (4200 yen) in the above figure. But even adding that in I think it's still pretty good.
Last edited by skinnyneo (2009 October 10, 5:17 am)
jacf29 wrote:
I also can't do the rice thing as I am cutting down on carbs.
You just killed your plan.
~J
Miso soup is also very cheap and easy to make. Buy a container of miso paste, red, white, or mix (my favorite). Then buy some dashi powder. At home we put in tofu, and whatever vegetables we have at the time. Cabbage, mushrooms, tofu, etc. All you do is boil some water, dump some paste in, a dash of dashi and your vegetables, and it's done.
Cabbage is also very cheap here. Raw cabbage with sesame oil and salt is pretty good.
Tofu and ponzu is also cheap and good.
You can also use your miso paste to flavour pork chops and fry them.
captal wrote:
Healthiest cheap thing I eat is uncut sashimi from the supermarket. You can get a decent block or salmon or tuna for ~200 yen. I usually get a block of each, go home and cut it up and have some rice or something else with it and it's a good meal. I love sashimi and it's very healthy for you. All the salmon you're going to get at the supermarket will be farm raised, meaning it won't have high levels of mercury, etc. The ocean stuff is much more expensive.
You can also cook the sashimi; I did this sometimes. Just put some salt and pepper on it (or whatever), wrap it up in foil, and cook it in a toaster oven for 10 minutes or so. You don't need any oil or butter because the fish's own oil will come out while it's cooking. Very easy and good. (The reason to get sashimi if you're just going to cook it is that it already has the bones taken out and is cut up and ready)
Last edited by yudantaiteki (2009 October 10, 8:34 am)
woodwojr wrote:
jacf29 wrote:
I also can't do the rice thing as I am cutting down on carbs.
You just killed your plan.
~J
Yeah I know. Well there are enough cheap veggies in Japan that I can substitute them in for rice for my carbs.
jacf29 wrote:
Yeah I know. Well there are enough cheap veggies in Japan that I can substitute them in for rice for my carbs.
Cabbage is (kind of) cheap as stated (it's cheaper elsewhere). Green onions too.
Potatoes, onions and carrot aren't too bad either. Lots of good things can be made with those three vegetables ![]()
Oh, and keep all your food sealed up and your garbage somewhere where bugs can't get it. There are tons of cockroaches, flies, mayflies, etc.
And the cockroaches are huge, I'm getting uncomfortable thinking about it. Oh, and let me recommend those cockroach bait thingies- mine are little black domes that have poison in them- since I got them I have only found one cockroach- and it was dying. I $*#((*@ hate them. HATE.
The only time I saw cockroaches when I lived in Tokyo was at my first guesthouse. And it was a dirty freakin place. Since that place, I moved to 4 different places during my time in Tokyo, all with no bugs at all. Maybe I just got lucky.
I imagine Osaka has a lot more bugs.
I need something I can eat in bulk like rabbit style. Yeah cabbage is good. But I want stuff with more green to it. I think fresh spinach for salads isn't too expensive in Osaka. Carrots can't be too bad either.
Its sad to think I lived in Tokyo for a year yet I cannot recall the cost of vegetables. (aka i ate out most of the time when I wasnt scraping by for bad food)
Many smaller grocery stores have cheap bento boxes. I go almost every day to one near me to get a decent sized somewhat balanced meal for 250Y. Once I get a place with a kitchen I'm gonna COOK though. 楽しみ
I've also never had bugs in any of the cities I've lived in (Hirakata, Kisaichi, Osaka, Neyagawashi, Nagoya).
@OP: The only cool place to hang out in Osaka is Namba/Shinsaibashi. Osaka is much more compact than Tokyo. Umeda is ok too, but pales in comparison (it's mostly 30+ somethings instead of 10-20 somethings). The most desirable apartments/mansions are on the Osaka-loop line, particularly the northeastern quadrant. I think Morinomiya or Tamatsukuri are the best stops to live near, since they are exactly between south Osaka (Namba) and north Osaka (Umeda). You also have walking access to numerous cheap grocery stores, a shoutengai, Osaka castle park, two bookoffs, and both are also on the main subway route (midosujisen).
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2009 October 10, 1:49 pm)
Also, some grocery stores put discounts on their bentos if you go after a certain time -- my local store would go as high as 70% off if you came in near closing; I sometimes got 80 yen bentos; they're a little soggy sitting around all day but for 80 yen it's not that bad.
I got those bentos too. But if I remember correctly the cheap ones usually were high on the carbs and low on everything else.
Actually I remember seeing super cheap fish at the local discount supermarket. I need to learn how to cook before I get there. Then again I will be going complete immersion in a little less than 2 weeks so I am not sure if its a good idea to learn from a cooking source in a language I do not fully understand. I dont want to poison myself.
jacf29 wrote:
I got those bentos too. But if I remember correctly the cheap ones usually were high on the carbs and low on everything else.
Bento boxes consist of lots of rice by definition. It's the main dish and everything else is a side.
I can't understand the carb reduction fad though. It's not doing Japanese people harm (low obesity rate and highest life expectancy in the world despite no one wearing helmets on bikes or motorcycles*, high rate of no seatbelt use, high population density, high suicide rate, lots of stressed out salarymen overworking themselves, and a somewhat backward medical system for a first world country) aside from higher incidence of constipation (although though it might just be the appearance of it since Japanese people are much more candid about their bodily functions).
*yes people on scooters and motorcycles wear helmets, but they are never full face helmets and they are usually strapped on so loose that they are completely pointless. I frequently see people with the strap around their neck and the helmet on their back.
Last edited by Jarvik7 (2009 October 10, 2:07 pm)
i too think it's a mistake for you to avoid rice. it's cheap, a staple of japanese food, and there's nothing wrong with it.

