I guess it sort of makes sense... I mean if you don't care about the culture, you probably won't care about your accent.

Why would you want to learn the language if you are not interested in their culture in the first place..?

nonpoint wrote:

Evil_Dragon wrote:

Why would you want to learn the language if you are not interested in their culture in the first place..?

Yeah, whats up with that? The weirdest case of that is the Arabs who learned Hebrew, mentioned in the article.

The Palestinians, or 'Arab israelis', that live in israel learn hebrew. There ain't no other choice but to learn hebrew?

There are people who like to learn a language for linguistic desires, I'm sure many that visit these forums do this. Jarvik for example, learns Korean even though he hates 'them' more than a conservative right wing Japanese nutcase would.

liosama wrote:

There are people who like to learn a language for linguistic desires, I'm sure many that visit these forums do this. Jarvik for example, learns Korean even though he hates 'them' more than a conservative right wing Japanese nutcase would.

Why does Jarvik hate 'them'?

oregum wrote:

I knew one American in Tokyo whose accent was so thick that I tried to record him as he was speaking. I should also mention that he loved Japan/Japanese culture/etc.

Interest in culture and empathy are different things, I think. He may have thought of them as little interesting children or something else absurd or along those lines. Pessimistically speaking.-

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Tobberoth wrote:

How can you possibly hate Koreans, they are amazing people.

GF Bias detected.

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I don't hate Koreans, I do hate many things ABOUT them though (particularly their nationalism)...

There are of course Korean people who don't listen to all the brainwashing that they are taught and as a result aren't extremely annoying. I'm friends with some of them.

Lion is somewhat right though, I have no real interest in Korea or Korean culture (aside from a few movies I liked). I just learn Korean for linguistic interest. It's hardly my main focus though, it's just language #5 of 5.

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nest0r wrote:

For shame, Jarvik: You're supposed to equate nationality/culture + race and then decide whether you hate/love Koreans, all or nothing. Tsk tsk.

+1

Wait, Koreans are a race now, too. Damnit! I need to stay with the times. Do the north and the south count as different races? I've heard that the northerners average 2-4 inches shorter.

J7 wrote:

I don't hate Koreans, I do hate many things ABOUT them though (particularly their nationalism)...

Then blokes over ear must drive yeh maed.

Mr. T wrote:

How can you possibly hate Koreans, they are amazing people.

How so? What makes 'them' Amazing? There was a movie I wan't to see about a girl in house. Unfortunately I read a review of the movie and saw it was a remake of a Korean movie I'd already seen. Still might watch it though.... maybe...

Heil Heisig!

kazelee wrote:

nest0r wrote:

For shame, Jarvik: You're supposed to equate nationality/culture + race and then decide whether you hate/love Koreans, all or nothing. Tsk tsk.

+1

Wait, Koreans are a race now, too. Damnit! I need to stay with the times. Do the north and the south count as different races? I've heard that the northerners average 2-4 inches shorter.

I am of the Western race, which means I must tell you that they're two different races, the South being Good, the North being Evil, and comically small--but only the North, it would be racist to mock South Koreans for being under a certain height.

I meant that more as a criticism of the type of music that Morning Musume represents -  shortlived heavily post-processed manufactured dance groups consisting of an unusually large number of members (none of whom play an instrument) whose primary appeal is sexual and not talent based.

..but whatever floats your boat

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@J7

Did you just speak ill of MoMu? The earth trembles as the gates of hell open so that you may fall in, Sir.

*adjusts glasses anime style* <----- seriously middle finger and everything

I hope, then, you are subjected to コンニチパー and バラライカ accompanied by the banging of pots and pans by whiny toddlers for all of eternity.

장화, 홍련 is actually the movie that was remade. I liked it. After seeing what was done to One Missed Call, though. I seriously hesitate to watch the American version.

You can bash AKB48 all you like, though. Seriously, WTF is up with that.

shortlived heavily post-processed manufactured dance groups consisting of an unusually large number of members (none of whom play an instrument) whose primary appeal is sexual and not talent based.

I fail to see your quarrel, sir.

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Jarvik7 wrote:

If you want to watch something for sexual gratification, why not just go for AV? It's not like you get anything other than awful off-pitch singing from a CD etc anyways. it's a whole lot more socially acceptable for an adult male to consume AV than Momusu too.

I laughed so hard when I read this.  Nice one.

Tobberoth wrote:

Morning Musume have never made even a single good song,

What!?

This is infectious genius at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai8oME-Kb84

J& wrote:

it's a whole lot more socially acceptable for an adult male to consume AV than Momusu too.

AV!? And contribute to the corruption of very being by having Gigabytes of the spew on my harddrive? Why do a thing such a poisonous thing to one's soul  as having categorically organized folders making sure to separate censored from uncensored when you can bask in the shallow yet overwhelming cuteness of all?

Actually, despite all the AV I've seen, I feel more dirty after watching stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14lqGSM1GUA

*shutters as a cold chill flows down spine*

Who comes up with this?

I make it a habit not to watch remakes. They are produced by directors who are under the impression that the audience is too stupid to enjoy a foreign film.

I was always under the impression that the producers themselves were the one's too stupid.

"Why does girl enter the house, again?"
"She is being led by dormant memories. She thinks it's just her intuition, though"
"That's stupid. Let's have a werewolf chase her into the house"
"But there are no werewolves in this film."
"And a lion."
"I fail to see how a lion fits into the scene."
"You're right, let's make it a werewolf that's been bitten by a lion."
"You mean a lion that's been bitten by a werewolf?"
"Wow! That's genius. Now I see what we pay you for. Now if I could just find a way to work in the giant spider..."
"Come again?"


"I think this scene here's is a bit too short, though."
"But the movie's already too hours longer than the original."
"Hmm. You're right. We need to get rid of a couple of scenes."
"How about the one where Random Chick 37 gets mauled to death by a giant headless bat while taking a shower?"
"What? Kill the shower scene? How could you even suggest.... dude... you're fired."
"What!?"
"B-b-"
"I just just-"
"Aa-"
"The film doesn't-"
"Booby booby"
"Just let me-"
"Snuckum duckums"
"That's not even a word"
"Can't hear yeh. Fingers in the ears. What does that mean?"
"You're an idiot"
"WHAT!?"
"You're a-"
"CAN'T HERE YOU! Hey tell me real quick. What's the shape of Florida?"
"Umm... a pan...."
"Nope a boot."
"Isn't that Italy. And I thought you couldn't here me."
"I heard what you said. And you're words... they hurt...sniff..."
"I just-"
"No! There's nothing you can say to make this up to me."
"How about if we... I don't know... we had a giant spider eat the giant bat after it mauls Random Girl 37 while she's taking a shower as the heroin is approaches the same house whilst being chases by a lion that's been bitten by a werewolf?"
"sniff... that's.... Gee nee  yes."
"Uhh... riiight...."

Mr. T wrote:

I would rather say that mainstream produced KPop is in a different league all together than mainstream JPop which is almost always horrible.

At the end of the day, it's still pop.