A minor help for major sentence mining

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Reply #1 - 2009 July 11, 8:04 am
Garland Member
From: Prague, Czech Republic Registered: 2008-02-17 Posts: 40

Hello, I have found what I think is a little, yet relatively nice help in adding sentences, and I thought thought some of you might find it useful, (if not, then writing about your own, better way of adding sentences would be nice). When digging words from Japanese texts, I always thought it would be nice if one could read through the whole text, highlight all the unknown words/sentences (possibly translating then with Rikaichan in the process), have them automatically transfered to some easilly accesibly database, and then, having finished the reading, copy them to Anki. That way, one could parse the text as a whole and concentrate on the reading itself, instead of having to switch to anki everytime one encountred a new word.

For a long time, I couldn't find anything for the purpose, but yesterday, when repairing my Windows Gadgets, I found something even better : Yahoo widgets !...which are exatly the same as gadgets, but have different design.
Among the many useful tools (http://widgets.yahoo.com/search/?q=jenerator is good for some non-violent immersion) is one called ClipDrop (http://widgets.yahoo.com/widgets/clipdrop)  that stores a selected number of sentences put in clipboard, displays them in a queue and then enables one to fetch each sentence by simply clicking on it.  This basically makes it possible to easily make a list of sentences for Anki, while not interrupting the actual reading. 

The method I now use to grab the sentences is as follows:

1) Find some Japanese text
2) When seeing an unknown word, look for its meaning and reading with Rikaichan (that way, I won't have to look later, when adding the sentence to Anki)
3) Highlight it, which copies it to clipboard (using Autocopy, a firefox plugin), which copies it to ClipDrop
4) Keep on reading and repeat the steps 2-4 until you have finished
5) Open Anki, transfer the senteces by clicking on them in ClipDrop, and edit them however you see fit

Following this method is saving me some precious time and energy and I think it may be useful for you guys as well (the Yahoo widgets only work on Windows and Mac, but those with Linux certainly use better tools anyways).  If however, you know of something faster or easier then by all means says so, I'd be happy to learn about it.



P.S. What happened to the thread about stinking foreigners? Reading it kept me from going to bed.

Reply #2 - 2009 July 11, 8:24 am
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Good application.

For the foreigner thread, it's likely the OP deleted his post, which deletes the entire thread. It's happened before, most memorably with the Tanuki thread.

Fabrice doesn't like that the system allows for it, but I don't think he's able to prevent it.

Reply #3 - 2009 July 11, 8:25 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

It's possible Fabrice deleted it since it got pretty offensive at some parts (especially Ahibbas racist comments) but he usually just locks threads and lets us know, so yeah, it was probably the OP.

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Reply #4 - 2009 July 11, 8:43 am
Musashi Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2008-09-22 Posts: 403

Garland wrote:

P.S. What happened to the thread about stinking foreigners? Reading it kept me from going to bed.

I was also wondering that. Suddenly the whole thread dissappeared.

Reply #5 - 2009 July 11, 10:04 am
mafried Member
Registered: 2006-06-24 Posts: 766

Probably just as well.  It was distracting from my reviews!  To quote someone from that thread: "it ain't going to be solved on a kanji forum."

EDIT: Garland, thanks for posting the link.  I'm definitely going to check it out.  Looks like Yahoo widgets don't work in dashboard however..  I don't want to install Yahoo's engine so I'll have to look into this further...

Last edited by mafried (2009 July 11, 10:09 am)

Reply #6 - 2009 July 11, 10:44 am
ahibba Member
Registered: 2008-09-04 Posts: 528 Website

Nice idea. Actually, there are many programs which do the same thing like:

http://www.banaban.net

I made a similar program using the freeware AutoHotKey. My program has another advantage. When you select the unknown word, you press a key to copy it as a question, then you can select the whole sentence and press another key to copy the sentence as an answer (as an example sentence for that word.)

Everything is done automatically, you don't need to switch endlessly between applications while producing the list. It savee the switching back and forth, as well as all of the pasting.


Tobberoth wrote:

It's possible Fabrice deleted it since it got pretty offensive at some parts (especially Ahibbas racist comments)

I had nothing to do with the deletion of that thread. I didn't post any racist comments.

Scientific facts are not racism.

Reply #7 - 2009 July 11, 10:47 am
Musashi Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2008-09-22 Posts: 403

ahibba wrote:

Tobberoth wrote:

It's possible Fabrice deleted it since it got pretty offensive at some parts (especially Ahibbas racist comments)

I had nothing to do with the deletion of that thread. I didn't post any racist comments.

Scientific facts are not racism.

*rolls eyes
Oh no! Ahibba has arrived, this thread's days(hours) are numbered!
yeah way to go, Ahibba

Last edited by Musashi (2009 July 11, 10:53 am)

Reply #8 - 2009 July 11, 11:29 am
kanjiwarrior Member
From: USA Registered: 2009-03-09 Posts: 116 Website

Musashi wrote:

Garland wrote:

P.S. What happened to the thread about stinking foreigners? Reading it kept me from going to bed.

I was also wondering that. Suddenly the whole thread disappeared.

Yonosa likes to delete threads, remember the one where he made a bunch of outrageous claims about mastering Japanese in 3 months and so on?

Reply #9 - 2009 July 11, 11:39 am
Garland Member
From: Prague, Czech Republic Registered: 2008-02-17 Posts: 40

I believe that racists are best ignored. Sure, it's a bad idea to ignore them when they're pointing a pistol at your pineal glands (or whatever glands the Japanese don't have), but they have no pistol in here.

Reply #10 - 2009 July 11, 11:51 am
ahibba Member
Registered: 2008-09-04 Posts: 528 Website

This comment is unscientifc and obviously racist.

I have pineal glands.

Reply #11 - 2009 July 11, 11:57 am
Musashi Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2008-09-22 Posts: 403

ahibba wrote:

This comment is unscientifc and obviously racist.

pls elaborate

ahibba wrote:

I have pineal glands.

How about no glands?

Pls, not again...!

Hold on... *thinking how to solve this problem...

...

*シャッシンlightbulb!

Last edited by Musashi (2009 July 11, 12:05 pm)

Reply #12 - 2009 July 11, 12:06 pm
ahibba Member
Registered: 2008-09-04 Posts: 528 Website

Sorry Musashi, sometimes I don't understand what you say. Please don't be vague.

Reply #13 - 2009 July 11, 12:41 pm
Musashi Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2008-09-22 Posts: 403

ahibba wrote:

Sorry Musashi, sometimes I don't understand what you say. Please don't be vague.

then you're quite slow...

Last edited by Musashi (2009 July 11, 12:44 pm)

Reply #14 - 2009 July 11, 1:11 pm
ahibba Member
Registered: 2008-09-04 Posts: 528 Website

What are you talking about?!

Reply #15 - 2009 July 11, 1:18 pm
Musashi Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2008-09-22 Posts: 403

ahibba wrote:

What are you talking about?!

sloooooow...

Reply #16 - 2009 July 11, 1:18 pm
Garland Member
From: Prague, Czech Republic Registered: 2008-02-17 Posts: 40

Musashi, I think you should add some scientific research to your posts. If you don't, then this thread will go on forever

Reply #17 - 2009 July 11, 1:26 pm
bombpersons Member
From: UK Registered: 2008-10-08 Posts: 907 Website

Back on topic:
Does anyone know of an application like this for Linux? It sounds really useful big_smile

Reply #18 - 2009 July 11, 1:42 pm
Yonosa Member
From: USA Registered: 2009-05-12 Posts: 485

Musashi wrote:

Garland wrote:

P.S. What happened to the thread about stinking foreigners? Reading it kept me from going to bed.

I was also wondering that. Suddenly the whole thread dissappeared.

I purposely deleted it because I didn't finish my goals for yesterday, and figured it was more distracting than anything. Especially since it evolved into something different than its intended purpose.

Any complaints?(If so just think them out and I'll get it telepathically because I'm off this forum for the whole day to play the "let's really immerse today" game.)

Reply #19 - 2009 July 11, 1:50 pm
Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

Yonosa wrote:

Musashi wrote:

Garland wrote:

P.S. What happened to the thread about stinking foreigners? Reading it kept me from going to bed.

I was also wondering that. Suddenly the whole thread dissappeared.

I purposely deleted it because I didn't finish my goals for yesterday, and figured it was more distracting than anything. Especially since it evolved into something different than its intended purpose.

Any complaints?(If so just think them out and I'll get it telepathically because I'm off this forum for the whole day to play the "let's really immerse today" game.)

The fact that it evolved into something other than originally intended should have been reason enough to leave it alone.  It wasn't your thread at that point, it was the forum's, and deleting it was in bad taste.  You might have had the power, but not the right.

I mean seriously, if it was distracting you from your goals, you could have just closed the browser or something.  Nobody was forcing you to keep participating in the thread for as long as it existed.

Last edited by Mcjon01 (2009 July 11, 1:51 pm)

Reply #20 - 2009 July 11, 2:11 pm
bombpersons Member
From: UK Registered: 2008-10-08 Posts: 907 Website

とにかく、スレに戻ろうよ…

Reply #21 - 2009 July 11, 2:32 pm
Musashi Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2008-09-22 Posts: 403

Garland wrote:

Musashi, I think you should add some scientific research to your posts. If you don't, then this thread will go on forever

Oh darn it! I was never good at science...!

Yonosa wrote:

I purposely deleted it because I didn't finish my goals for yesterday, and figured it was more distracting than anything. Especially since it evolved into something different than its intended purpose.

Any complaints?(If so just think them out and I'll get it telepathically because I'm off this forum for the whole day to play the "let's really immerse today" game.)

*!!! The nerve! big_smile

Last edited by Musashi (2009 July 11, 2:36 pm)

Reply #22 - 2009 July 11, 2:46 pm
ahibba Member
Registered: 2008-09-04 Posts: 528 Website

bombersons wrote:

Does anyone know of an application like this for Linux? It sounds really useful

Why do you use Linux? I think Linux users are programmers or have high technical skills.

Anyway, I think there is a Linux version for AutoHotKey, you can make similar programs using this freeware (also you can try AutoIt.)

I'll try to upload my program soon. It may work on Linux.


Mcjon01 wrote:

It wasn't your thread at that point, it was the forum's, and deleting it was in bad taste.  You might have had the power, but not the right.

I agree with you.

Reply #23 - 2009 July 11, 3:08 pm
yukamina Member
From: Canada Registered: 2006-01-09 Posts: 761

I use the firefox add-on Split Browser for my sentence mining set up.
This way I can drag and drop: Sentences into Trinity
                                         Words into Yahoo dictionary
                                         Definitions into Trinity
And it's all on the same screen, so I can see everything at the same time. I set the reading source on the left, dictionary site on the right, and Trinity on the bottom. If I need a 4th page, I just keep it on a separate tab so the screen doesn't get too cluttered. I can set up parallel texts this way too. L2 site on one side and L1 site on the other.

Reply #24 - 2009 July 11, 3:45 pm
Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

IceCream wrote:

What is Trinity? I keep seeing it around... but googleing only brings up cambridge stuff...?

Check the main page of this very site.  Under the progress chart button. wink

Reply #25 - 2009 July 11, 4:32 pm
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Nukemarine wrote:

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For the foreigner thread, it's likely the OP deleted his post, which deletes the entire thread. It's happened before, most memorably with the Tanuki thread.

Fabrice doesn't like that the system allows for it, but I don't think he's able to prevent it.

Must be, I wasn't on much last week, didn't delete any topic.