Vempele wrote:

And ちゃ is a contraction of ては.

Right; this is different from the てしまう contraction of ちゃう.

fzort wrote:

"kaesanee" is the "tough"/slangy version of "kaesanai", which is the negative form of the verb "kaesu" = "to let someone return". You are probably familiar with the verb "kaeru" = "to return"; "kaesu" is the transitive version of that verb.

"ikashicha" is slang for "ikashite". "Ikasu", in this context, means "to let live" (it's the transitive version of "ikiru" = "to live").

(Sorry for the romaji; in the office without a Japanese IME.)

Edit: I wrote originally that "ikashicha" was "ikashite shimau"; that was a mistake. Apologies.

Vempele wrote:

And ちゃ is a contraction of ては.

right, i see how ちゃ＝　slang substitute of ては　and じゃ　= slang substitute of では now.
thanks guys . so i guess this is not really directly covered in tae kim huh

myxoma wrote:

so i guess this is not really directly covered in tae kim huh

He doesn't have a page on contractions as such, but he does mention most of the main ones in the articles. You just got unlucky that the first time you saw ちゃ it wasn't followed by いけない/ならない/だめ.

Depends. People speak very clearly in very formal settings, less so in more casual ones. I can say ~なきゃならないです when I work at a rather relaxed place, but people will not greet you with しゃませえ in a chic restaurant and people wont say つれえたします before hanging up the phone when speaking with customers.

In normal, every day conversations, these parts are always slurred tho, and many more, so it's best to get used to them, because you'll encounter them every day, countless times.

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Inny Jan wrote:

Stansfield123 wrote:

So this is Tokyo-only, or is it used in any city?

回答No.2 in http://okwave.jp/qa/q484216.html seems to confirm what Tzadek wrote above.

Thanks, it does indeed. Very helpful.

You've got it right but it's a pretty restricted usage. The main context where it's used is when you have an authority figure giving advice to a group of people -- like in an instruction book, a how-to manual, or especially when a local government puts out signs and brochures about how to recycle and how you should unplug electric appliances that you're not using. To me it sounds a bit weird and presumptuous to use it outside of that context. There's a bit of a sense of "we should all do this," not just "you should do this," I think.

Here is a good explanation in the context of subway posters! http://gakuu.com/please-do-it-subway-posters/

I'm having some trouble with a phase containing 成せる業 (なせるわざ). According to this, I guess it literally means "an act only X can do" or "behavior particular to X". So for example, 神の成せる業 could mean an "act of god" ("something only god is capable of"). That makes sense to me (but please correct me if I'm wrong here).

But I'm unsure of how this sentence line from a manga works:

なるほど．．．強い志の成せる業か．．．

That line is a response to someone that declares he will never lose to any swordsman. Any ideas on 強い志の成せる業? Is it something like: "behavior which is unique to those with a great ambition?"

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In classical Japanese 為せる is not a potential, it's the equivalent of なしている, so this shouldn't mean "Only X can do" -- however, it may be that it's been misinterpreted as a potential and is now used in that way.  I don't know the details of this idiom, but without looking at that link you posted I would have read your sentence as "A deed/action borne out of a strong will".

The Aのなせるわざ thing is a little awkward but certainly not the potential. Like yudantaiteki said, なせる is an old word that shows something has been done. Kind of like the English present-perfect tense. Daijirin defines it as "おこなった。引き起こした。" with the example sentences of 「自然のなせるわざ」「群集心理のなせるわざ」

「Aのなせるわざ」is basically an idiom meaning "It is precisely because of A that ~~ came about." So in the above two examples..
It's precisely because of his strong will that he won't lose. (His not-losing is a result of his strong will.)
It's precisely because of X's efforts that ~~ came about. (~~ is the fruit of X's labor).
Googling "*のなせるわざ” brings out quite a few more examples.

「米国の安倍批判は嫉妬心のなせるわざ」
The USA criticizes Abe because they are jealous.
「若さのなせるわざです。(それから１５年。私もずいぶん大人になりました。)」
It was because I was young. (But now, 15 years later, I've become quite the adult.)
「自殺は無知のなせるわざ」
Suicide is the result of ignorance.

afterglowefx wrote:

What's the easiest way to express that something was done accidentally? I know しまう can be used to express unintended circumstances, and many verbs have forms that express that something was done by chance, but what if I just want to say, "Sorry, that was an accident!" after, say, knocking down a huge stack of Uno cards on a student's head? Thanks!

You can say something like "わざとじゃないよ！” or "そのつもりはなかった” for things that happened accidentally. But I think the most generally Japanese response in this case would be to just apologize and ask if they're OK. That should get across the point that you didn't do it on purpose. If they accuse you of purposefully dumping cards on their head you can pull out the "わざとじゃないよ！"

Thanks Vemplete, yudantaiteki, and drdunlap. The example sentences are especially helpful. I definitely read なせる as potential at first, so I'll be mentally substituting なしている into that idiom from now on.

Chronopolis wrote:

無論、ボクは本物の宮殿など見たことがない
全てはテレビなどで見た光景だ

I was wondering about the second line. Because of how the first line goes, my first thought is
"It is a spectacle of which all that I had seen of before was from TV and the like"
but then I wondered whether the 全て could refer to "the whole palace that he's looking at", instead of "all the palaces he had seen before".
"The whole spectacle is just as I had seen on TV and the like."

Which one of these interpretations is correct and/or more likely?

The best interpretation is "all the palaces he'd seen before were on TV."
It's strengthening the fact that he's never seen a palace in real life.

(never mind)

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