vix86 wrote:

Separate question. You can't actually use はくしょん as a verb can you? I mean that'd be like saying in English "He achoo'ed." which is understandable but a little odd to my ear.

I've never heard it used like that. I've always heard people say くしゃみをする　or くしゃみが出る
Similar to 咳

佳織 is talking about the 口づけ that she would do to her 愛する人.
I'm not sure what's going on in the story, but you're right, Kaori is telling Amane to just kiss the stuffed cat.

Yucalus wrote:

佳織：この猫のぬいぐるみにでもしときなさい

By the way, grammatically it's from this
に  でも  して  おきなさい
Of course, the てお slurs into と.  The して is from する, the おき is from おく.  でも means something like "or something."

"Just do it to (literally: make it/decide on) this stuffed cat or something."
This translation doesn't really include おく because it's hard to put in English easily, but the おく sounds like it just means "So that in the future when you need to actually kiss you'll have practiced."  You'll find this as て + おく in most textbooks/grammar guides.

Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 March 23, 9:34 pm)

怠けていないで、手伝って。
"Stop slacking and help me!"

(From Core2k, so there's no extra context)

Can anyone tell me what type of で is being used after 怠けていない?

My first inclination is to think of it as the -でください minus ください で(Btw, is there a shorter term for this? "Request で" maybe?), but I don't think I've seen this type of で used with the V+ている form nor twice in a sentence before.

Thanks!

Xないで means "Without doing X".  (なくて would be the normal -te form of ない)

nadiatims wrote:

It's a sentence connecting word (what do you call those again?)

A conjunction?

Can someone please confirm my impression that in very formal / religious / business japanese, ending with a -masu stem is essentially a more formal version of a -teimasu conjugation?

also would this be considered keigo, and if so sonkeigo or kenjougo??

thanks

By the stem he means something like 食べ.  And no, I don't think that suspicion is correct.  I can think of a few special cases where classical 終止形 are used in formal Japanese that happen to be the same as the -masu stems (particularly あり), but it's not a general rule.  And it certainly would not be used in spoken "business" Japanese.

kitakitsune wrote:

Still don't understand the question.

The ます stem is just putting the verb into its regular ます form, but droping the ます itself.
So, 食べる in regular ます form is 食べます and you drop the ます to get the stem 食べ.
帰る in ます form is 帰ります and you drop the ます to get the stem 帰り.

He's asking if a ます stem can be used like ています in formal speech. 
So, he's asking: Can 食べ be used as a special formal way of saying 食べています?
Can 帰り be used as a special formal way of saying 帰っています?

I've certainly never heard anything like this, so I wonder where he's getting the idea.

In more formal Japanese you'll find people use the masu stems in the same way as the て-form.

For example:
朝食を食べて学校へ行きました。
朝食を食べ、学校へ行きました。
Same meaning, but the latter is often used in news / fiction etc. They are often mixed to create variation.

I'm not sure if this helps, but I'm definitely sure that a masu stem does not function in the same way as ています.

Last edited by Zorlee (2012 March 28, 2:24 am)

ok well so then maybe there are two different situations for using the masu-stem, which I was mistakenly thinking were the same thing...

the first being a more formal version of a conjunctive -te verb, which zorlee pointed out, thanks...

but for the second, which comes at the end of the sentence, I have this biblical passage (it's actually the one from pulp fiction)... specifically the なり and possibly the あれ ending too?

「されば、心正しき者の行く道は心悪しき者の利己と暴虐によって行く手を阻まれるものなり。愛と善意の名によりて、暗黒の谷より弱き者を導きたるかの者に神の祝福あれ。なぜなら彼は兄弟を守る者、迷い子たちを救う者なり。主なる神はこう言われる。我が兄弟を滅ぼそうとする悪しき者達に私は怒りに充ちた懲罰を以って大いなる復讐を彼らになす。私が彼らに仇を返すその時、彼らは私が主であることを知るだろう。」

Last edited by dtcamero (2012 March 28, 11:30 am)

thanks Thora, bingo だろう…

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the
tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through
the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike
down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

dtcamero wrote:

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the
tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through
the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike
down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

This isn't from the Bible, for the record, haha.  Most of it is made up for the movie, especially the first half.

Last edited by Tzadeck (2012 March 28, 11:04 pm)