That caught my eye, too.  I was thinking about buying it with the KO2001 this month.  It seems like it'd be useful.  And together, they give ya 6000 of the 10,000 sentences.

Mafried, it lists all the verbs with the same pronunciation so maybe the math works out in the end.

I was turned off by the overuse of kana. Plus something tells me after 3000 sentences from KO2001 you'll have little need for a majority of the sentences in EJV. Still, a positive resource.

I'm a bit confused. I don't own either book but I was thinking of buying KO2001. But if this company is putting out a book for verbs as well...does that mean that KO2001 covers no verbs? That seems like it wouldn't be very useful. Could someone clear this up for me?

Mafried - I'm just going off the sample pages provided, but it seems all the sentences are in kana. That would qualify as a show stopper to me.

KO2001 is kanji and kana. However, if a word uses a kanji not in the 1100 kanji covered by both books, then the kana form is used instead. Not a show stopper in my opinion, and one can always convert them with an IME in Anki (assuming you use the spread sheet).

Not saying the sentences are dumbed down. I think more advanced people have said the grammar used in KO2001 is low level (equivalent of JLPT3 I suppose). However, that probably covers 90% or more of any Japanese you're likely to hear. (pulling that percentage out of my lower orifice so don't quote me).

**EDIT** This only applies to the book. The CD of EJV has a Kanji version and audio dialogue, so it's your call on that one.

Black Macros - KO2001 has verbs, but it treats them like they'll treat other vocabulary words. You're not getting a systematic usage in different situations in the sentences picked specifically for that verb. However, you're going to see the verb used in many different situations over the course of seeing 3000 sentences. It's a passive exposure I guess you could say.

The EJV seems to be systematic, so you'll get an average of 3 sentences per verb, showing different ways to use it. This is different from something like Guide to Japanese Verbs where you're given sample sentences of verb usages (past, present, progressive, desire, need, possibility, no chance, too much, etc.)

Last edited by Nukemarine (2009 May 06, 2:43 am)

I've got a list of the verbs covered on the CD.
Essential Verbs (in kanji): 335
Additional Verbs 1 (all kana): 504
Additional Verbs 2 (する verbs -- all kana): 379

The only ones with sample sentences are the "Essential Verbs," the other 883 just give a definition, akin to Rikaichan.
All of the verbs in "Additional Verbs 1" come in pairs, transitive and intransitive...so if you consider each pair to be 1 verb, then there's only 252 verbs in that section.

I don't know much about rules, copyright, laws, all that stuff, but if I can put up the list of verbs included if it's not a problem.

Edit: information about Example Sentences.
Choosing a verb completely at random, i got 答える／応える (they're on the same page for the same reading.)

There are 5 "Key Sentences" for 答える and 1 for 応える。
Next, there are 5 "Practical Usage" Sentences. (3 have 答える and 2 with 応える).
Then there are 2 dialogues with only 2-3 lines each. (5 sentences altogether)
Total: 16 sentences for 2 verbs =  8 sentences per verb (mathematically, idk how it actually works out)

With this math, there are 335 x 8 = 2,680 sentences.
Unfortunately, 883 out of 1218 verbs don't have any sentences.

Last edited by Asriel (2009 May 06, 9:19 am)

@Nukemarine

Just for clarification, by Guide to Japanese Verbs, do you mean this?
http://www.thejapanshop.com/product.php … amp;page=5

Oh, was it The Handbook of Japanese Verbs, or was it Japanese Verbs at a Glance?

The Handbook of Japanese Verbs: http://tinyurl.com/dnaclg
Japanese Verbs at a Glance: http://tinyurl.com/c6mxj4

Many years ago I bought the CosCom Essential Japanese Verbs CD. At that time it didn't have any Kanji at all in the examples. In order to study the kanji, I completed the lists and submitted them to Stackz.com, along with other verb lists.

Those of you who use Stackz can find the lists at:
http://www.stackz.com/Stackz/Archive/Ja … eVerbs.szm
http://www.stackz.com/Stackz/Archive/Ja … lVerbs.szm
http://www.stackz.com/Stackz/Archive/Ja … 0Verbs.szm
http://www.stackz.com/Stackz/Archive/Ja … 0Verbs.szm

For those of you who don't use Stackz you can download the lists in .csv format from the WaKan site:
http://wakan.manga.cz/files/VerbLists.zip
This package contains:
EssentialVerbs.csv (300+ essential verbs, categorized by conjugation group and transitive/intransitive)
EssentialVerbs_noCategories.csv (same as above, but not divided into categories)
OtherVerbs.csv (500+ more verbs; categorized)
OtherVerbs_noCategories.csv (same as above, but not categorized)
SuruVerbs.csv (500+ stems which form verbs by adding suru).

Enjoy.

Tom

Last edited by tomhogers (2009 May 06, 5:33 pm)