Hello, I have a possible error to report. All my sources (including RtK3) say that the kanji for 'violet' 菫, frame number 2099 has 11 strokes. However the site says 12. Thak you.
Looking at it, I have no idea how it could possibly be written with 12 strokes, so go with 11. Kanjidic however also states it can be written in both 11 and 12 strokes though it gives no indication of how.
The older form of kusa kanmuri (the three strokes at the top) splits the horizontal line in the middle so the radical ends up being two crosses. That's where the extra stroke can come in. Twelve strokes if you use the older form of the radical, eleven if you use the modern form.
Once you get outside of the Jouyou kanji older form varients show up a lot more.
B140 KUSA-KANMURI e.g. 苛 always counted as 3 strokes (Halpern counts this 4 strokes for the (mostly level 2) kanji where the older form is often printed.) Note that this has been carried through to kanji where this element is not the indexing radical, such as 朦.
Once you get outside of the Jouyou kanji older form varients show up a lot more.
Yeah that's what i've noticed. Most chinese characters use the extra stroke form of 艸 (i.e 4 strokes) instead of the 3. I think the "japanese-way" is the 3 stroke way, while the Chinese way is 4.
This is my guess based off no research, i can't be mucked.
My first kanji dictionary was Rose-innes - almost pocket sized in a red hard cover. It listed kanji under both old and new forms, with cross references in between. I quickly learned the varients for a bunch of common elements while using it. There are better dictionaries now, but it was marvelous at the time. Then the original Nelson came out. A huge tome that was wonderful for study, but Rose-Innes was still the one I carried around because it was much smaller and more convenient.