kanji not displaying in certain webpage components (flash?)

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Reply #1 - 2009 April 08, 3:52 pm
drivers99 Member
From: Alamogordo NM Registered: 2009-03-31 Posts: 141

I've seen this on different sites, but here's a prime example.  This is a webpage for a streaming radio station that I'm listening to right now, and the little boxes below the "Privacy Policy" with the little green arrows shows up looking like it has the wrong characters.  I think those are part of flash.  The rest of the kanji on the page looks fine (I have enabled the language support in my Windows XP settings.)  I tried both IE and Firefox on Windows XP.  I'm thinking I need to do something special to get Flash to support kanji.

http://www.fm-nirai.jp/top.html

FIXED: Thanks to Tobberoth for picking the right solution: "If you're using XP, in the advanced tab of the Date, Time, Language, and Regions settings, is it set to Japanese in the box for non-Unicode programs? That's probably it if that's the case."

Last edited by drivers99 (2009 April 09, 5:40 pm)

Reply #2 - 2009 April 08, 9:18 pm
sethg Member
From: m Registered: 2008-11-07 Posts: 505

I have the same problem, but can't seem to figure out how to fix it.

Reply #3 - 2009 April 08, 9:49 pm
Sebastian Member
Registered: 2008-09-09 Posts: 583

I checked that website and had the same problem. Also had the same problem at Radilog, which is pretty annoying.

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Reply #4 - 2009 April 09, 1:29 am
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

Some improperly made web content doesn't explicitly define what character set they use (and don't use unicode). I believe the only way to fix this is to change your OS region and all os & browser defaults to Japanese.

Reply #5 - 2009 April 09, 2:42 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

Jarvik7 wrote:

Some improperly made web content doesn't explicitly define what character set they use (and don't use unicode). I believe the only way to fix this is to change your OS region and all os & browser defaults to Japanese.

This. Japanese people unfortunately do not use Unicode... they use various encodings such as Shift-JIS, JIS and EUC. If the webcontent isn't properly made, the computer won't be able to decode such text on it's own.

Reply #6 - 2009 April 09, 6:13 am
mikemorr Member
Registered: 2008-08-03 Posts: 12

It'd be nice if we could right-click on the Flash content and set the character encoding in the Flash player plugin settings, like we can with the browser settings when dealing with misencoded HTML. Maybe there's an alternative Flash player plugin that can do this?

Reply #7 - 2009 April 09, 6:18 am
wccrawford Member
From: FL US Registered: 2008-03-28 Posts: 1551

I'd just like to note that that site doesn't work here on Firefox/OSX either.

Edit:  Using Flash 10 as well.

Last edited by wccrawford (2009 April 09, 10:56 am)

Reply #8 - 2009 April 09, 7:16 am
JimmySeal Member
From: Kyoto Registered: 2006-03-28 Posts: 2279

The garbled text is in an embedded flash control, as drivers99 speculated.  The same is true of the site Sebastian referenced. This is only a hunch, but I have a feeling the issue is that Flash has somewhat crappy support for Japanese text.  Here's another site where almost all the content is in flash and it's unreadable http://www.le-sarment-dor.com/ (I think I've even tried to view it on a Japanese PC and got the same results).  I think the people at Adobe need to try a little bit harder.

Last edited by JimmySeal (2009 April 09, 7:17 am)

Reply #9 - 2009 April 09, 7:42 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

mikemorr wrote:

It'd be nice if we could right-click on the Flash content and set the character encoding in the Flash player plugin settings, like we can with the browser settings when dealing with misencoded HTML. Maybe there's an alternative Flash player plugin that can do this?

Nah, Flash is a proprietary format. There is some open-source alternatives on Linux but they are useless.

Reply #10 - 2009 April 09, 7:45 am
SammyB Member
From: Sydney, Australia Registered: 2008-05-28 Posts: 337

Both of those work fine for me... I'm using Japanese version of Firefox.

Reply #11 - 2009 April 09, 9:19 am
fluxcapacitor Member
Registered: 2007-03-08 Posts: 70

They work fine for me too, and I'm using the English version of Firefox. It also works for me in Opera and IE. I'm using Flash Player version 10.

Reply #12 - 2009 April 09, 11:17 am
Fanki Member
From: Chile Registered: 2008-09-25 Posts: 12

SammyB wrote:

Both of those work fine for me... I'm using Japanese version of Firefox.

Same here. I'm also using japanese version of firefox and I have no problems.

Reply #13 - 2009 April 09, 12:52 pm
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

fluxcapacitor wrote:

They work fine for me too, and I'm using the English version of Firefox. It also works for me in Opera and IE. I'm using Flash Player version 10.

If you're using XP, in the advanced tab of the Date, Time, Language, and Regions settings, is it set to Japanese in the box for non-Unicode programs? That's probably it if that's the case.

Reply #14 - 2009 April 09, 1:33 pm
fluxcapacitor Member
Registered: 2007-03-08 Posts: 70

Tobberoth wrote:

If you're using XP, in the advanced tab of the Date, Time, Language, and Regions settings, is it set to Japanese in the box for non-Unicode programs? That's probably it if that's the case.

Yes I have it set to Japanese.

Reply #15 - 2009 April 09, 5:41 pm
drivers99 Member
From: Alamogordo NM Registered: 2009-03-31 Posts: 141

FIXED: Thanks to Tobberoth for picking the right solution: "If you're using XP, in the advanced tab of the Date, Time, Language, and Regions settings, is it set to Japanese in the box for non-Unicode programs? That's probably it if that's the case."

Reply #16 - 2009 April 09, 9:27 pm
JimmySeal Member
From: Kyoto Registered: 2006-03-28 Posts: 2279

Though that'll work, I wouldn't really call it an ideal solution.  That setting exists for a reason, and changing it from English to Japanese has the potential to make other programs function in ways you don't want.

Reply #17 - 2009 April 10, 1:58 am
onafarm Member
Registered: 2005-11-12 Posts: 129 Website

Tobberoth wrote:

This. Japanese people unfortunately do not use Unicode... they use various encodings such as Shift-JIS, JIS and EUC.

That would have been true a few years ago. It's not the case now however. Unicode is gaining wide acceptance in Japan.

Reply #18 - 2009 April 10, 3:56 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

onafarm wrote:

Tobberoth wrote:

This. Japanese people unfortunately do not use Unicode... they use various encodings such as Shift-JIS, JIS and EUC.

That would have been true a few years ago. It's not the case now however. Unicode is gaining wide acceptance in Japan.

As it is in the rest of the world. The vast majority of Japanese sites are still encoded in non-unicode encodings however and it will take a long time before that changes.

Reply #19 - 2009 April 10, 4:58 pm
sethg Member
From: m Registered: 2008-11-07 Posts: 505

I changed my whole system language to Japanese (Vistalizor) and downloaded Japanese firefox, but that site still looks wonky to me.

Reply #20 - 2009 April 10, 5:07 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

sethg wrote:

I changed my whole system language to Japanese (Vistalizor) and downloaded Japanese firefox, but that site still looks wonky to me.

I don't know about Vista (or if you are even using it) but that isn't sufficient in XP. As said in a previous post you need to change the defaults for non-unicode scripts as well.

Reply #21 - 2009 April 10, 5:57 pm
travis Member
Registered: 2008-08-11 Posts: 178

I've managed to get it to work by using AppLocale. It basically allows you set the locale for non unicode programs on a per application basis. It works in Firefox and IE on XP, but you need close your browser before launching. You can't have an English instance and a Japanese one running at the same time. They'd either both be English or both Japanese. On Vista there is a workaround.

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