>_>  he says both truthful and, in my opinion, ignorant things a single post but I like jorgebucaran

Kanjimood did give substantial proof that he's not "bullshitting" anyone though. He told us how he manages the work load and showed us his anki stats

What more is there to it? It would be unreasonable to say that Kanjimood is lying to us. I think he should come back and reclaim his thread.

Last edited by ryuudou (2009 April 18, 4:01 pm)

Well, I really don't know what to say to you.

Saying something is 'bullshit' isn't going to help anything. Of course, this isn't a perfect world. There are going to be some really negative "You're doing better than me, so therefore you are bullshitting everyone", just like you are.
I'm acknowledging that.
But what does bullshitting really help? No one.

This isn't a competition. If Kanjimood has a great system, then he has a great system. If he's bullshitting everyone, well, then we don't know. But I do know for one thing, that he isn't getting on here everyday to say "I'm better than you all, look at what I did today that you can never do in your life". He's just posting his stats and his progress. If it's all a lie, oh well. We don't know. It's certainly possible to puff up his stats and progress, but does it really help him? No.

"If you can say you don't have time to do something, then you have the time." - A quote from Khatzumoto, on his TkyoSam videos.

There are people who have time, but don't make the time, and there are people who you would think don't have time at all to complete what they have done/are doing, yet make time and still go through life without the scratches. There are no "talented" people, just people who have gotten 'used' to something. Kanjimood has a system he's executing, and he has made the time to make all this progress. Everything that he has done, or said he has done, is all possible. He doesn't say "I wack out 100 Kanji every day and can retain most of it, going through a Mountain Dew-enhanced 5-10 hour journey to kick all Kanji's tail, and still have l33t skittl3z to do 100 mor za NEXT DAI."

I mean, damn. If he wants to do 100 a day, let's cheer him on, and hope to continue out a similar success.

Yeah, my X is white.

Haha this is the second time someone calls me ignorant I would accept a bunch of other callings but I don't know if people is just been thoughtful and euphemistic in their wording or maybe they do think I am ignorant in which case I dare you to... nevermind

Well if KanjiMood is like me and have been reading these posts I bet he is doing 150 a day now. I honestly hope he does, that's the path of the real warrior, to struggle and fight all adversity. To overcome difficulties and stay focus when someones tries to unnerve you which after all was also one of my motivations to flame in here a bit.

Also, this discussion may be useful to other people, well I've said that before.

Cheers

Last edited by jorgebucaran (2009 April 18, 4:32 pm)

Thanks for the support everyone. I continue to post my progress and problems I encounter for two reasons. (1) To motivate myself and also to discuss what works and what doesn't - for me this is better than just lurking here. (2) I hope to aid the progress of others if possible - this means saying both good things and bad things about my progress. Honesty is the key. Though this is the Internet, so use your own judgement.

Brokenvai: That's great your trying something similar, I hope it works out for you. Here are some tips from my experience so far:

- It may take some characters a few days to settle in. I think learning should simply be a gentle absorbing experience, it does not need to be constant anguish over minor details.
- Review as much as you can. RevTk won't give you enough "natural" reviews if you are doing 100 a day. I just use both Anki and RevTk at the same time. Try to keep up with both.
- When you review try to write the characters down as much as possible. Mentally tracing a character is not always the same and you may even lose some self-discipline regarding primitive form variations, size, stroke order (if you're planning to write) etc.
- Make sure you write down your stories in someway. This helps the process a lot even if you find you don't need to refer to them (I hardly do).
- And most importantly, don't be afraid to fail!

And yeah, this isn't a competition.. People were speaking, reading and writing Japanese a long time ago and I won't be able to do any of those things fluently for awhile. The reason I do 100 characters a day is because I feel a strong urge to make up for time I've lost not learning Japanese, a language I always wanted to learn "someday" but never did. As I said before this is my first organised attempt at Japanese.

Harrow wrote:

jorgebucaran wrote:

Well if KanjiMood is like me ....

But maybe Kanjimood is *not* like you.  Don't know why that should upset you so...

Everyone has their own path and approach that works, good luck to both of you with whatever approach is proving most productive for you in learning the Kanji.

That's the goal we all have in common, right?

That's so out of context, did you read what I wrote? Nevermind. Thanks for the support though.

Last edited by jorgebucaran (2009 April 18, 5:25 pm)

jorgebucaran wrote:

Tobberoth wrote:

jorgebucaran wrote:

24/7 anime immersion (just like a friend I have that claims he knows a lot Japanese just to watch anime but the truth is besides a few words that's bullshit)

You are probably the greatest bullshit story teller ever, maybe only after those self-proclaimed religious pundit and other fundamentalist morons.

Some people here are doing a misservice to others looking to actually learn Japanese.

It's a hyperbole, not bullshitting. Bullshitting would be saying he learned Japanese to JLPT1 level in 4 months. A flat out lie, more or less. Saying he has 24/7 anime immersion is just a hyperbole since we all know that's physically impossible since sleep, eating, going to the toilet etc factors in. He's just saying he's watching a lot of anime.

And at the same time doing 689 Kanji in a week.

Doing 689 kanji in a week isn't all that hard. It just takes some time... like 4 hours a day? Not impossible, that's the time spent a day doing studies in many universities. Why do you feel the need to call it bullshitting? Does it make you feel bad that they can do it and you can't? What proof do you have that they are exaggerating their results? From a logical standpoint, it's perfectly possible. If you can make a good, proper case as to why it's impossible, go right ahead! I would welcome such criticism. As it stands now, you're just a kid pouting in the corner because others are making faster progress than you are.

EDIT: I would also like to point out that no one has said doing 100 kanji each day is simple. We've just saying it isn't hard (as in complex), it just takes a LOT of dedication and time. Not everyone wants to spend 4 hours a day studying kanji. I sure don't. That doesn't mean it's alright to accuse them of bullshitting.

Last edited by Tobberoth (2009 April 18, 7:07 pm)

blackmacros wrote:

Also @jorgebucaran I don't know what frame you are up to, but until at least frame 300 to 400 I was going at a *much* slower rate than I can now. It took me all that time to get used to the process. If you had told me I would be able to do 100 kanji/day before that point, I would not have believed you. Of course you *wouldn't* have told me, because you don't believe its possible- but thats beside the point ;-)

This is a great topic you are bringing out. I came to realize this like a week ago or so and at around frame 1000. Actually since we have been arguing in this thread I have been doing 50-60 a day. The thing is, no one told it was possible so how could you know? I remember, when I was getting started I would freak out for 10 and 20 Kanji now that's not as half intimidating as before.

jorgebucaran wrote:

That's great motivation, in fact I started doing 50 Kanji a day since the flaming started like 3 days ago.

Only 50?

Clearly you are a wuss and inferior to the rest of us.

@KanjiMood- I may have missed this if you've already mentioned it, but what situation are you in right now? College student on holiday, full time employee etc? I'm managing 100 a day on holidays, so if you're not a college student on holiday like me I'm interested in knowing how you allocate your time throughout the day in order to learn 100.

Thanks :-)

Nukemarine wrote:

After I found my groove, I reviewed 2 hours a day. When I was doing Kanji, that equated to about 25 to 30 new kanji which were added AFTER all my reviews. With 100 or so due cards per day and lots of missed cards, there meant about 1 hour of adding new cards.

If a person knows what they're doing, in the beginning you can add 100 cards (review story, initial review) in about 4 hours. That's what, once every 2 to 3 minutes? Then in 3 to 5 days the reviews start coming up. Review time will start cutting into adding new material time.

Now what can happen is people get stuck on adding the same amount of new stuff everyday (this happened to me). What this does is lead to way too many reviews which means more time than that initial 2 or 4 hours you started out doing.

The flame storm above not withstanding, the people posting they do 100 kanji a day without more info do new people a disservice. What are the results as time goes on? Basically, we see this:

Day 1 - 4 Hours, 00 Reviewed, 00 Studied (red stack), 100 New Cards
Day 2 - 4 hours, 00 Reviewed, 00 studied (red stack), 100 New cards
etc.

But we don't see this:

Day 18 - 4 hours, 300 Reviewed, 60 studied (red stack), 40 New Cards
Day 30 - 4 hours, 250 Reviews, 30 studied (red stack), 0 New cards

By this time, cards are just going into mature status (stack 5 or higher). At this spacing, I would say you really remember the kanji.

So, 100 a day is doable if you have the time. Just remember that soon the reviews and missed cards will begin to build up. Be mentally ready to reduce number of new cards to due to time spent reviewing due cards and studying missed ones.

Today marks the end of my first week at a pace of 100/day. I set Anki to show new cards last, and limit it to showing me 100 new cards a day. It takes me an average of 1.2 hours per day to complete my reviews, according to Anki's stats. Today is my heaviest review day so far with 97 reviews of older cards, plus the 100 new cards to be reviewed- but I don't expect it to take me more than an hour and a half to get through. I already got through 50 of my reviews while taking the tram into the city on my study break in fact.

So yes, it is a bit misleading to say that "I can do 100 cards a day" and ignore review time- but I don't see an hour to an hour and a half review time as excessive. That brings the total time spent on kanji per day up to around 4 and a half to 5 hours. Very doable for a college student on break, and thats all I've ever claimed.

blackmacros wrote:

Today marks the end of my first week at a pace of 100/day. I set Anki to show new cards last, and limit it to showing me 100 new cards a day. It takes me an average of 1.2 hours per day to complete my reviews, according to Anki's stats. Today is my heaviest review day so far with 97 reviews of older cards, plus the 100 new cards to be reviewed- but I don't expect it to take me more than an hour and a half to get through. I already got through 50 of my reviews while taking the tram into the city on my study break in fact.

So yes, it is a bit misleading to say that "I can do 100 cards a day" and ignore review time- but I don't see an hour to an hour and a half review time as excessive. That brings the total time spent on kanji per day up to around 4 and a half to 5 hours. Very doable for a college student on break, and thats all I've ever claimed.

Here's hoping you keep the pace. There's nothing wrong though with reviewing 4 hours a day and reducing how many new cards you add. Remember that based off a previous thread where a Anki test was done, reviews over time become about 10x what you add per day. So if you're adding 30 a day, expect in time to get 300 reviews. That 4 hours can become 6 or 7 hours.

With Kanji, adding time per day is not a big deal as you reach an end. However, I assume you'll be going on to learning Japanese (via sentences or some sort) and may want to keep this same pace. When that happens, you may want to set a hard time that you'll review each day. Now, that can change day by day, but let the time dictate how many reviews/new cards you do. Don't let the reviews dictate the time.

Plus, if you can, give us a heads up when 90% of your cards mature. Perhaps post a photo of your review and time graph from Anki during that time frame.