KanjiMood wrote:

I'm currently on frame 925. Today is the day I finally reach 1000.

I did a review of 200 characters in RevTk this morning. 100 new (800-900) and 100 expired. Out of the new ones I got 12 wrong which is pretty good compared to before, again these characters will only get much stronger in my mind in the coming days. I was a bit scared as I found 800-900 the toughest yet for some reason. For the 100 expired cards I only got 3 wrong; tale, stirred up and ooze. I got ooze wrong because I forgot the heart was the invariable one.

900-925 seem very easy so far, much more enjoyable than yesterday's characters.

CarolinaCG: You may need to increase the time you spend on it a little beyond 4 hours but its probably workable. I can remember the story because I think about each new one three times on the day I first learn the character. Once when I first learn the character, once after finishing a set of 25 (I also type it in at this stage which helps a lot) and then once at the end of the day. It's normal to forget the stories at any of those stages so don't worry about it you'll pick it up eventually. Once I can remember the story I can remember the character, soon after that you will find yourself remembering the character before the story.

I also think reviewing a new set of 100 characters at the same time is good because you can learn the primitives better. Like today I got interment wrong but in turn that helped me remember death later on. This lowers your failure rate and helps your learning progress. I don't think its like cheating because the next time the card comes up without any primitives beforehand you'll be able to draw on that experience and remember it correctly without the help.

I'm wondering how you deal with the problem of burnout? As I mentioned when I made my post, after 7 days of 100/day I'm feeling quite worn out by the pace. How are you coping? Do you have any method for dealing with it, if you do feel it?

KanjiMood wrote:

Sorry blackmacros I missed your post. That's great you can get the gist of things by frame 1085, I'm starting to feel the same and want to learn the kana sooner rather than later.

As for burnout - I rested for three days after 7 days of 100 kanji because I got the flu. I wouldn't of rested otherwise but it helped and hindered me at the same time. I'm back in the mood for kanji now so I don't know how I will feel in another 7 days but sometimes I do feel its like a chore at times. Do you really feel worn out? Or do you feel "oh no, I have to do 100 kanji today"? I feel the latter often, but it usually wears out by the time I've done a few reviews as that gets me energized again.

Well today for example, I did my reviews in the morning and then tried to start on learning some new Kanji. Unfortunately my brain just wouldn't kick in and visualise ANY stories. I wanted to learn, I just...couldn't. So I took a break all day, and then felt refreshed enough to learn some kanji this evening, but only 60.

Thankfully, I already know the kana because my Uni course mandated that I have them memorised by the 2nd week. That was tough. Tougher than the kanji, in fact. Mainly because Heisig's method works so well, whereas I just brute forced the kana.

Also, it really is a great feeling to be able to make some meaning out of a text because I know the kanji. It took me by complete surprise though- I picked up the manga intending to have a go at it once I finished RtK. Flipping through it, I realised I could already work things out! If you're reaching frame 1000 tonight I'm sure you will be able to have a similar level of success, provided you are somewhat familiar with the text (I've ripped the audio from death note and listened to it 24/7 over 3 weeks).

KanjiMood wrote:

Sorry blackmacros I missed your post. That's great you can get the gist of things by frame 1085, I'm starting to feel the same and want to learn the kana sooner rather than later.

As for burnout - I rested for three days after 7 days of 100 kanji because I got the flu. I wouldn't of rested otherwise but it helped and hindered me at the same time. I'm back in the mood for kanji now so I don't know how I will feel in another 7 days but sometimes I do feel its like a chore at times. Do you really feel worn out? Or do you feel "oh no, I have to do 100 kanji today"? I feel the latter often, but it usually wears out by the time I've done a few reviews as that gets me energized again.

Congrats dude, maybe you will learn Japanese by the end of the other week.

Tzadeck wrote:

I think jorgebucaran loves you all so very much, he just doesn't know how to show it.

Hahaha. Come on dude, this is self and mutual indulgence.

Tobberoth wrote:

jorgebucaran wrote:

24/7 anime immersion (just like a friend I have that claims he knows a lot Japanese just to watch anime but the truth is besides a few words that's bullshit)

You are probably the greatest bullshit story teller ever, maybe only after those self-proclaimed religious pundit and other fundamentalist morons.

Some people here are doing a misservice to others looking to actually learn Japanese.

It's a hyperbole, not bullshitting. Bullshitting would be saying he learned Japanese to JLPT1 level in 4 months. A flat out lie, more or less. Saying he has 24/7 anime immersion is just a hyperbole since we all know that's physically impossible since sleep, eating, going to the toilet etc factors in. He's just saying he's watching a lot of anime.

And at the same time doing 689 Kanji in a week.

julz6453 wrote:

Tobberoth wrote:

It's a hyperbole, not bullshitting. Bullshitting would be saying he learned Japanese to JLPT1 level in 4 months. A flat out lie, more or less. Saying he has 24/7 anime immersion is just a hyperbole since we all know that's physically impossible since sleep, eating, going to the toilet etc factors in. He's just saying he's watching a lot of anime.

Exactly.  (-_-#)  There is no need to flame other people just because they used a hyperbole, or are doing well with their kanji studies!

So watching anime all day is a hyperbole but studying Kanji (pretty much all day) overly successfully while coping with other stuff is not a hyperbole, is true and even if it sounds far away from common sense is nothing like bullshit.

I see.

julz6453 wrote:

jorgebucaran wrote:

So watching anime all day is a hyperbole but studying Kanji (pretty much all day) overly successfully while coping with other stuff is not a hyperbole, is true and even if it sounds far away from common sense is nothing like bullshit.

I see.

3 hours of kanji study a day is not "all day". Yes, some people are better at retention than others. And note blackmacros has been on holiday for the past week.

Not trying to start an argument, but I like to take people at face value unless they're proven to be otherwise. As KanjiMood and others have shown us, some people are highly capable of doing circa 100 kanji a day, and still having high retention rates.

@blackmacros: I wouldn't worry about the burn-out. You've got two choices, really - either press on like a trooper or be a wimp like me and take a break from kanji. (Just kidding.) But personally, I find it better not to force myself. I still do reviews as normal, but I don't force myself if I'm really burned out with new ones.

Shown you?
3 hours a day

Where did you get this data?

No factual data here but a lot of conveniently applied hyperboles.

Its an expression.  He's saying that he was listening to it a lot.  Calm down, he wasn't trying to say that he was attached to his ipod all day listening to anime, but that he was listening to it at every opportunity.

I could eat a horse.
I need to sleep for a year I'm so damn tired.
My teacher's the devil.

These are hyperboles.  People understand that they are exaggerations and are not intended to be understood literally, but to express that something is an extreme amount.

This is not 'bullshitting' because if it is understood correctly you know that it is an exaggeration.  This means you failed to understand what he was saying.

What other stuff are these 100-kanji-ers coping with?  Have they made claims as to what their lifestyles are like?  I'm a college student and I have copious amounts of time to allocate as I see fit.  This means that I have nearly unlimited amounts of time to study (if I had these guys' willpower :p).  Right now I have over 12 hours of free time per day because I'm in a lull before finals.

I honestly find it hilarious how you think its impossible to do this.  Its just a few kanji, dude.  And this is WITH mnemonics to aid your recall. 

Some people are really dedicated and can put in lots of effort.  These people exist.  They may be rare, it might be unlikely that any random individual has the amount of willpower, motivation, and time to do something like this, but that doesn't mean that it goes 'against common sense' to accept that these types of things ARE POSSIBLE.

Earlier it sounded like you suggested you were not a native English speaker.  Maybe you don't understand the gravity of the word 'bullshit', or you're just incapable of being more subtle about your accusations.  Either way, please think and realize that there are people who have crazy motivation, willpower, and time, and that although it may be statistically unlikely that KanjiMood and others fall into this category, it is still statistically possible, and, therefore, not ridiculous or 'bullshit', just unlikely. 

I'm glad that you're bringing a critical eye to what people are claiming, and I respect that you feel that these accomplishments are outside of human capacity, but I hope you understand that there are incredible people who can do incredible things.  I hope that in the future you bring these critiques with a little more respect and with the idea of "innocent until proven guilty".

Personally, I find it ridiculous, that you are actually arguing over such matters. I mean - if you can learn xyz kanji a day then do it. And if it helps you (or you are simply proud of yourself) then boast as much as you like. The most important thing is, that we are not rivals here, are we? Why should there be such a thing as sharing our stories then? We should offer our support instead of barking at each other, . After all, we have something in common - all of us are trying to (and some might already ready have) learn kanji.
About the 100 kanji/day - I tried it, it worked but it was no fun. I'm preparing for exams, so I don't have so much time, and learning kanji is most appreciated break from that. Sometimes I feel like studying more than 25/day, but I simply don't, because -being fully aware that I'm going to repeat myself- where's the fun in that? Just go at your own pace people, this is not a race for crying out loud.

Minder wrote:

Its an expression.  He's saying that he was listening to it a lot.  Calm down, he wasn't trying to say that he was attached to his ipod all day listening to anime, but that he was listening to it at every opportunity.

I could eat a horse.
I need to sleep for a year I'm so damn tired.
My teacher's the devil.

These are hyperboles.  People understand that they are exaggerations and are not intended to be understood literally, but to express that something is an extreme amount.

This is not 'bullshitting' because if it is understood correctly you know that it is an exaggeration.  This means you failed to understand what he was saying.

What other stuff are these 100-kanji-ers coping with?  Have they made claims as to what their lifestyles are like?  I'm a college student and I have copious amounts of time to allocate as I see fit.  This means that I have nearly unlimited amounts of time to study (if I had these guys' willpower :p).  Right now I have over 12 hours of free time per day because I'm in a lull before finals.

I honestly find it hilarious how you think its impossible to do this.  Its just a few kanji, dude.  And this is WITH mnemonics to aid your recall. 

Some people are really dedicated and can put in lots of effort.  These people exist.  They may be rare, it might be unlikely that any random individual has the amount of willpower, motivation, and time to do something like this, but that doesn't mean that it goes 'against common sense' to accept that these types of things ARE POSSIBLE.

Earlier it sounded like you suggested you were not a native English speaker.  Maybe you don't understand the gravity of the word 'bullshit', or you're just incapable of being more subtle about your accusations.  Either way, please think and realize that there are people who have crazy motivation, willpower, and time, and that although it may be statistically unlikely that KanjiMood and others fall into this category, it is still statistically possible, and, therefore, not ridiculous or 'bullshit', just unlikely. 

I'm glad that you're bringing a critical eye to what people are claiming, and I respect that you feel that these accomplishments are outside of human capacity, but I hope you understand that there are incredible people who can do incredible things.  I hope that in the future you bring these critiques with a little more respect and with the idea of "innocent until proven guilty".

Select the hyperbole that best fits what you want to believe. Believe anything.

I was completely fine with doing 100 a day during my spring vacation and because of that was able to bump myself up from 800 to 1450 with reviews (lost two days due to family vacation thing). I had ridiculously terrible retention rate (usually at 55% on Anki) on the reviews but after the 2nd and 3rd review, my retention rate easily improved to 80%+ and be able to recognize the kanji alone without keyword by breaking it down.

Don't know about you guys but just wanted to share a bit of my experience on doing 100 a day. Oh and keep up the great work. You're doing great, maybe we might finish at the same time.

jorgebucaran wrote:

I think that is human nature to bullshit everyone and ourselves.
(...)
"Maybe you are right, or maybe you should go f.u.c.k yourself"
(...)
You are probably the greatest bullshit story teller ever, maybe only after those self-proclaimed religious pundit and other fundamentalist morons.

jorgebucaran: a healthy dose of scepticism is good, and you can of course voice your doubts and question other's accomplishments.

Topics such as this one are a way for people to share goals and uplift each other, there is no need to be overly negative.

Insulting other members is definitely not going to get you productive responses   Can you please stay courteous and respectful to others (regardless of what is being debated), as do the vast majority of members of this community ? Thank you.

20 kanji a day, 45 a day, 68 a day, 100 a day...who cares?

Just go at your own pace and finish.