Adding a range of cards

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Reply #1 - 2009 April 01, 8:54 pm
nickzim New member
From: Japan Registered: 2009-03-21 Posts: 2

This has probably been addressed at some point, but is there any way of adding a range of cards rather than from zero? If not, could a feature like this be included? It seems like it would not be difficult to do. Just allow the user to type "400-500" for example. Otherwise reviewing  begins to get cumbersome after about 200 kanji, unless you are doing an extremely exhaustive review. I realize Anki is an alternative, but as the main purpose of this site is review, it seems like an important feature.

Reply #2 - 2009 April 01, 8:57 pm
welldone101 Member
Registered: 2008-12-21 Posts: 289

Check out the scheduling and reviewing section of this page here:
http://kanji.koohii.com/learnmore.php

It explains how even if you add lots of cards the reviews don't become cumbersome.  I'm up to more than 1000 cards now and only have to review around 20-40 a day.

I think the main purpose of the review program here is to enter cards and never take them out.  Each card will schedule itself for review when it's due, and at that point you review it.  Since most of my cards are in box 4+ they don't come up but once in every 30-240 days.  Most of my daily reviews are cards that are in the first 1-3 boxes.

Last edited by welldone101 (2009 April 01, 9:02 pm)

Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

I always love how end-users say things like "it wouldn't be hard to do", not knowing how things are implemented on the application side or how it would introduce complexities elsewhere.

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Reply #4 - 2009 April 02, 5:32 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

nickzim, there are many improvements to the review area that are waaaay overdue which I will work on when the new "refactored" website is online. This site rewrite will remove one big limitation whereas there could be no gap in the RTK flash cards order.

The trick is here is to identify the need. I think you're asking for the possibility to add cards outside of the order (or in same order, but with gaps)?

I will probably do as you suggested (range A-B) , in addition to typing in one or more kanji to add one/multiple kanji at once (including non RTK ones).

Anyway, it's on my todo list but I can't give you any estimates as to when it will be available now. It definitely won't happen with the current (old) site codebase. Also on the UI perspective, I must think of many ways in which people can add kanji in-any-order in an effective way.

ps: the problem is ultimately you want to review everything too. But I would agree the need for exhaustive review is not that great until you reach halfway through the book, IF you are doing well with the stories visualization.

gibosi Member
Registered: 2006-09-01 Posts: 116

>The trick is here is to identify the need. I think you're asking for the
>possibility to add cards outside of the order (or in same order, but with gaps)?

To add another viewpoint:

I followed the book for RTK I, so had no interest in adding cards out of order during that process.  However, I am not really ready to charge full speed into RTK 3, yet.  But of course, sometimes I encounter RTK 3 kanji in my daily reading.  What I think would be very nice is to able to add individual RTK 3 Kanji as I encounter them in my reading. 

What I have done is add all the RTK 3 Kanji, but as a result, now I have 946 failed Kanji which makes reviewing the few failed Kanji in the RTK 3 range I have learned rather difficult.

Cheers

ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

I agree gibosi, that's one of the main reasons I'm removing this limitation. As for adding kanji out of order, I'm adding it to the top of my "post-refactoring to do list". I can't add it to the refactoring to do list itself otherwise I keep on pushing the refactoring online date further and further, and it was meant to be only a site rewrite. Anyways, fi I can keep the pace I hope to tackle this before the end of April.

Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Gibosi, I concur. I've done the same thing, but I had to use Anki to do it.

What I also recommend, but I have no idea if it's complex, is to put the next 3500 kanji from the kanken list and allow users to throw those into the mix. The only thing that would be missing is keywords, which means using the rough definitions given in the kanken list.  The order can be sorted dictionary order using radicals. If and when Heisig does another book, the database can be updated.

nickzim New member
From: Japan Registered: 2009-03-21 Posts: 2

Thanks a lot for the replies -- I understand how the different boxes of cards have different review times, and sets get broken up. It's surely a good method for long-term recall, but it seems that the system puts restrictions on the study pace, or am I missing something? For example, one day last week I was trying to learn 80 kanji, with short review sets of 20 at a time. In this case the [range A-B] system would have been ideal (within the order), hence my post.
This is a really great site, I really appreciate it! Good luck with all future developments.

Reply #9 - 2009 April 08, 2:27 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

That is yet another thing. If I understand well, you'd like to review any range of cards outside of the SRS. You can either do that with paper flashcards or kanjiGym Light or a website which unfortunately I don't remember the URL which allows heisig kanji reviews without SRS so you can review the same set multiple times on the same day if you like.

Reply #10 - 2009 April 17, 10:28 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Hi Nukemarine,

How does the Kanken kanji lists compare to the JIS X 0208 list ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIS_X_0208

If I add non-rtk kanji to the Study area, I thought I'd use Jim Breen's kanjidic meanings, do you think the Kanken ones are better, and is there some freely available data on that ? I assume the JIS X 0208 will cover all the kanken kanji?

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